15 West Kellogg Blvd.  
Saint Paul, MN 55102  
City of Saint Paul  
Minutes - Final  
Rent Stabilization Appeal Hearings  
Marcia Moermond, Chief Legislative Hearing Officer  
Polly Heintz, Hearing Secretary  
651-266-8568  
Friday, August 21, 2026  
1:00 PM  
Room 330 City Hall & Court House/by phone  
Rent Stabilization Appeals  
Appeal of Robert Fox to a Rent Stabilization Determination at 1640  
EDGERTON STREET.  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Attachments:  
Deny the appeal.  
Robert Fox, Property Owner, appeared by phone  
Carli Velez, Tenant, did not appear  
Lynne Ferkinhoff, Department of Safety and Inspections Staff  
Demetrius Sass, Department of Safety and Inspections Staff  
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer  
[Moermond gave background and reviewed Rent Stabilization hearing process]  
Ferkinhoff: reviewed Staff report (see attached)  
Fox: Reviewed the statement submitted with the appeal, shared response to tenant’s  
statements  
- Application of last month’s rent escrow included as rental income  
- The lease includes maintenance Credit of $200/month  
- This is not an act of generosity; it is based on the agreement of anything above snow  
removal and lawn- all other yard maintenance it is voluntary  
- Tenant stated something about 200/week  
- Tenants are on a month-to-month lease, and rent is allowed to increase with 1  
month’s notice.  
- These are excellent tenants and he does not want to place burden on them  
- Unexpected washing machine replacement  
- Hail damage – insurance claim, not reimbursable, a loss to property owner  
- The second line on the MNOI  
Moermond: Agrees that anything beyond the $200 for snow and lawn maintenance can  
be considered  
Duration of tenancy shouldn’t have an impact on whether the rent increase is allowed–  
lease would govern how much notice of the increase is required for an increase.  
Asked Mr. Sass to explain how unexpected capital/improvement and maintenance  
costs are handled in MNOI  
Demetirus Sass: Costs described are mostly repairs and are not capitalized. Capital  
improvements are considered ongoing improvements that prolong the life of the  
property, are considered capital investments, for example, washing machine added this  
year.  
Moermond: Suggested a hypothetical – if we were looking at 2026, how would the  
bumps that come up in 2025 the analysis could look different a year from now. What  
would you project the outcome based on what we know now?  
Sass: Nearly all expenses have increased overall, looking at expenses, this year may  
not lead to as sizeable increase, would need info on hail damage, and insurance  
-deductible would count as an expense, but the portion the insurance paid for would  
not count.  
It would be the same except for income – it would be roughly breaking even with an  
allowed increase.  
There has been a steady increase in expenses, but the same is true for income. If I  
were to just remove this year's exceptional maintenance as well as the late fees  
collected and the concessionary rate, it would be roughly breaking even with an  
allowed increase, likely capping it at the 3% range.  
Fox: Stated that he agrees with Mr. Sass - any expenses that occur this year would  
likely fall within a 3% increase. Doesn’t anticipate going through this process in future  
years. So he is trying to achieve an accurate amount this year to sustain it for years to  
come.  
Moermond: Asked if staff has additional information to share.  
Stated that it seems that the tenant doesn’t seem to want any increase –  
Left with single question: If administrative rules govern the calculations on line 2 (of the  
MNOI), is a portion attributed to vacancy?  
Moermond: The formula that was applied does adversely impact your application, if I go  
with the arguments you made, I think overall the formula works. I am inclined to deny  
the appeal. Will give a final readthrough today and confirm by letter next week.  
This item will be put in front of City council on September 2. Mr. Fox can provide  
testimony. A letter to the council is welcome, if not able to appear in person.  
Fox: Pointed out Mr. Sass stated that his arguments are not unreasonable.  
Discussions with Mr. Sass about definitions about what “portion related to vacancy”  
actually means is what lead him to proceed with the appeal. Portion attributed to  
vacancy is a gray area, and Mr. Sass may have sided with Mr. Fox if he had leeway, so  
Sass suggested bringing appealing. Mr. Fox believes DSI would have sided with him if  
they had that authority. He encourages the hearing officer to follow suit.  
Moermond: Stated that she can apply different formula and analysis, so referral to  
legislative hearing is correct, this is the other venue for this to be examined. Looking  
at your case in context and if rules are what they should be (she believes that they are)  
she can look. Her initial take is that original analysis is correct. Will review one last  
time more thoroughly. Ms. Moermond provided a quote from the code for the record:  
Sec. 193A.07 (3) The legislative hearing officer shall have authority to review the RROI  
application and/or complaint, department determination, appeal documents, and any  
other records relevant to the appeal. The legislative hearing officer shall commence a  
public hearing and make a recommendation to council pursuant to chapter 18 of the  
Code.  
We can send a link to this section of code for you.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/2/2026  
Appeal of Carli Valez, Tenant, to a Rent Stabilization Determination at 1640  
EDGERTON STREET.  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Attachments:  
Deny the appeal.  
Robert Fox, Property Owner, appeared by phone  
Carli Velez, Tenant, did not appear  
Lynne Ferkinhoff, Department of Safety and Inspections Staff  
Demetrius Sass, Department of Safety and Inspections Staff  
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer  
[Moermond gave background and reviewed Rent Stabilization hearing process]  
Ferkinhoff: reviewed Staff report (see attached)  
Fox: Reviewed the statement submitted with the appeal, shared response to tenant’s  
statements  
- Application of last month’s rent escrow included as rental income  
- The lease includes maintenance Credit of $200/month  
- This is not an act of generosity; it is based on the agreement of anything above snow  
removal and lawn- all other yard maintenance it is voluntary  
- Tenant stated something about 200/week  
- Tenants are on a month-to-month lease, and rent is allowed to increase with 1  
month’s notice.  
- These are excellent tenants and he does not want to place burden on them  
- Unexpected washing machine replacement  
- Hail damage – insurance claim, not reimbursable, a loss to property owner  
- The second line on the MNOI  
Moermond: Agrees that anything beyond the $200 for snow and lawn maintenance can  
be considered  
Duration of tenancy shouldn’t have an impact on whether the rent increase is allowed–  
lease would govern how much notice of the increase is required for an increase.  
Asked Mr. Sass to explain how unexpected capital/improvement and maintenance  
costs are handled in MNOI  
Demetirus Sass: Costs described are mostly repairs and are not capitalized. Capital  
improvements are considered ongoing improvements that prolong the life of the  
property, are considered capital investments, for example, washing machine added this  
year.  
Moermond: Suggested a hypothetical – if we were looking at 2026, how would the  
bumps that come up in 2025 the analysis could look different a year from now. What  
would you project the outcome based on what we know now?  
Sass: Nearly all expenses have increased overall, looking at expenses, this year may  
not lead to as sizeable increase, would need info on hail damage, and insurance  
-deductible would count as an expense, but the portion the insurance paid for would  
not count.  
It would be the same except for income – it would be roughly breaking even with an  
allowed increase.  
There has been a steady increase in expenses, but the same is true for income. If I  
were to just remove this year's exceptional maintenance as well as the late fees  
collected and the concessionary rate, it would be roughly breaking even with an  
allowed increase, likely capping it at the 3% range.  
Fox: Stated that he agrees with Mr. Sass - any expenses that occur this year would  
likely fall within a 3% increase. Doesn’t anticipate going through this process in future  
years. So he is trying to achieve an accurate amount this year to sustain it for years to  
come.  
Moermond: Asked if staff has additional information to share.  
Stated that it seems that the tenant doesn’t seem to want any increase –  
Left with single question: If administrative rules govern the calculations on line 2 (of the  
MNOI), is a portion attributed to vacancy?  
Moermond: The formula that was applied does adversely impact your application, if I go  
with the arguments you made, I think overall the formula works. I am inclined to deny  
the appeal. Will give a final readthrough today and confirm by letter next week.  
This item will be put in front of City council on September 2. Mr. Fox can provide  
testimony. A letter to the council is welcome, if not able to appear in person.  
Fox: Pointed out Mr. Sass stated that his arguments are not unreasonable.  
Discussions with Mr. Sass about definitions about what “portion related to vacancy”  
actually means is what lead him to proceed with the appeal. Portion attributed to  
vacancy is a gray area, and Mr. Sass may have sided with Mr. Fox if he had leeway, so  
Sass suggested bringing appealing. Mr. Fox believes DSI would have sided with him if  
they had that authority. He encourages the hearing officer to follow suit.  
Moermond: Stated that she can apply different formula and analysis, so referral to  
legislative hearing is correct, this is the other venue for this to be examined. Looking  
at your case in context and if rules are what they should be (she believes that they are)  
she can look. Her initial take is that original analysis is correct. Will review one last  
time more thoroughly. Ms. Moermond provided a quote from the code for the record:  
Sec. 193A.07 (3) The legislative hearing officer shall have authority to review the RROI  
application and/or complaint, department determination, appeal documents, and any  
other records relevant to the appeal. The legislative hearing officer shall commence a  
public hearing and make a recommendation to council pursuant to chapter 18 of the  
Code.  
We can send a link to this section of code for you.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 9/2/2026