15 West Kellogg Blvd.  
Saint Paul, MN 55102  
City of Saint Paul  
Minutes - Final  
Legislative Hearings  
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer  
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator  
Joanna Zimny, Executive Assistant  
651-266-8585  
Tuesday, January 7, 2025  
9:00 AM  
Room 330 City Hall & Court House/Remote  
9:00 a.m. Hearings  
Special Tax Assessments  
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RLH TA 25-9  
RLH TA 25-12  
RLH TA 25-7  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1425  
GALTIER STREET. (File No. J2506T, Assessment No. 258511)  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Delete the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1559  
SUMMIT AVENUE. (File No. J2506T, Assessment No. 258511)  
Bowie  
Sponsors:  
Layover to LH January 21, 2025 at 9 am (unable to reach PO).  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 1/21/2025  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1822  
FORD PARKWAY. (File No. VB2505, Assessment No. 258804)  
Jost  
Sponsors:  
Delete the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1264  
PAYNE AVENUE. (File No. VB2504, Assessment No. 258803)  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Continue PH to July 9, 2025. If property is occupied, delete assessment. Change to  
Cat 1 VB and allow permits.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
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RLH TA 25-6  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 911  
SIMS AVENUE. (File No. VB2504, Assessment No. 258803)  
Yang  
Sponsors:  
Delete the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
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RLH TA 25-5  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 911  
SIMS AVENUE. (File No. J2505R, Assessment No. 258508)  
Yang  
Sponsors:  
Delete the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/12/2025  
10:00 a.m. Hearings  
Special Tax Assessments  
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RLH TA 25-8  
RLH TA 25-14  
RLH TA 25-10  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 776  
DESOTO STREET. (File No. CRT2504, Assessment No. 258203)  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Reduce assessment from $615 to $536.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 896  
ARKWRIGHT STREET. (File No. J2507T, Assessment No. 258515)  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Reduce assessment from $566.50 to $366.50 and make payable over 4 years.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 525  
MARYLAND AVENUE EAST. (File No. J2507T, Assessment No.  
258515)  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Approve the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
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RLH TA 25-11  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1064  
STINSON STREET. (File No. J2507T, Assessment No. 258515)  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Delete the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
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RLH TA 25-13  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 93  
SYCAMORE AVENUE WEST. (File No. J2507T, Assessment No.  
258515)  
Bowie  
Sponsors:  
Approve the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
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Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 322  
WINONA STREET WEST. (File No. J2507T, Assessment No. 258515)  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Layover to LH January 21, 2025 at 10 am.  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 1/21/2025  
Special Tax Assessments-Rolls  
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RLH AR 25-3  
RLH AR 25-4  
RLH AR 25-5  
RLH AR 25-6  
Ratifying the assessment for Collection of Vacant Building Registration  
fees billed during May 2 to July 24, 2024. (File No. VB2505, Assessment  
No. 258804)  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
Ratifying the assessment for Securing and/or Emergency Boarding  
services during August 2024. (File No. J2505B, Assessment No.  
258104)  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
Ratifying the assessment for Collection of Fire Certificate of Occupancy  
fees billed during August 7 to September 10, 2024. (File No. CRT2505,  
Assessment No. 258204)  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
Ratifying the assessment for Excessive Use of Inspection or Abatement  
services billed during June 21 to July 22, 2024. (File No. J2505E,  
Assessment No. 258304)  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
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RLH AR 25-7  
Ratifying the assessment for Graffiti Removal services during July 19 to  
29, 2024. (File No. J2505P, Assessment No. 258404)  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Referred to the City Council due back on 2/19/2025  
11:00 a.m. Hearings  
Orders to Vacate Code Enforcement  
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Appeal of Amber Duncan to a Notice of Condemnation as Unfit for  
Human Habitation and Order to Vacate at 973 FRONT AVENUE.  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Property must be vacated by noon on Friday, January 10, 2025.  
Amber Duncan, owner/occupant, appeared via phone  
Tara Smith, sister, appeared via phone  
Tried calling Tara at 11:51 am, went straight to Voicemail: this is Marcia Moermond  
from St. Paul City Council calling about your sister’s property at 973 Front. You’re  
welcome to follow up with us or Amber after the hearing. Our number is 266-8585  
Staff update by Supervisor Richard Kedrowski: there were two inspections since  
December 17. First was January 2, 2025 with St. Paul Police Department and  
Inspector David Smith. We did do the interior, with the exception of the basement. No  
access. The interior was in deplorable condition. Heavy mopping in the kitchen, but it  
appeared water was just dumped on the floor, it was being pushed into vents and  
corners. Multiple holes, in insulation. Kitchen cabinets coming off wall. Thumb lock  
missing from door, which makes egress impossible. Clutter blocking egress on stairs,  
including a chair. Numerous windows broken, one had a pillow stuffed through it. Lots  
of missing hardware and door trim. Large gap at rear door, weather just coming inside.  
Exterior had numerous infractions. Rear shed roof that the support posts are just  
propped underneath. There’s OSB rotted through on the roof. Much rotted wood around  
windows of home. Garage full of debris. Deteriorated paint. Pretty bad shape. Did a  
follow up inspection yesterday, January 6 to get into the basement. I’m a little reluctant  
to sign off on the furnace repair on the basis that any reputable contractor would have  
removed the packaging they used and put the cover back on the furnace. Some  
modification to the furnace. It does appear to be newer, shiny, no dust, but no permits  
had been pulled. Water heater had access panels removed.  
[Tara Smith added to call]  
Kedrowski: my photos show they were on the ironing board and that’s 240 volt electric  
which if kids got near is bad news. Very unsafe. Lots of daisy-chained electrical.  
There’s a dryer with the duct work removed. Some storage in basement, lead water  
main coming into the house and the valve before the meter is missing the turnoff  
handle. There are also some green treated support posts in the basement and not  
installed correctly. Just on the floor, no footings or plinth blocks. Basement trap door  
had no hinges or hold-open device. Dog was in the kennel in the kitchen that had a  
large amount of feces in the kennel. Not normal for one occurrence, this was quite a  
lot preventing it from even laying down. Ms. Duncan said that was normal, so that  
concerns me as to the judgment of the safety of the animals.  
Smith: the door is on one hinge to the basement. It stays open on the block.  
Structural stuff was done by a company before we owned it. It had been inspected by  
the City prior to it. The water meter was just replaced when the furnace was repaired.  
Everything from the meter before they had no handle because the stop for the water  
main is beyond the water heater. They took all of that out and put in a stop line after  
the meter which isn’t normal but there was no space before. The City said when they  
replace the lead line going into the house it will be replaced. The water heater was my  
fault, the kids are never in the basement, since I can barely lift that hatch. I left those  
off because we had a furnace guy out and checked the furnace and water heater and  
we have to put it back on for liability reasons. So that’s on me. The furnace is in order,  
we’ve had them twice. Water heater had to have heating elements replaced. We put in  
new washer and dryer in the kitchen so Amber can access them with her disability.  
These are the things I’m responsible for as landlord. She has a new used working  
stove.  
Moermond: what I heard from staff was the contract for deed from Georgia to Amber  
was being cancelled.  
Smith: no, it is not being cancelled unless the City forces it. Amber owns the property  
as far as we are concerned. There are things we make sure are in working order as  
they aren’t things she is knowledgeable about.  
Moermond: you mentioned you were the landlord and that Amber owns the house, what  
does that mean?  
Smith: Amber is not good when it comes to mechanical things. Since there are things  
my mom can get ticketed for by the City, we make sure they’re working. She does  
have some disabilities, both physical and mental. It’s a mom-daughter-sister side she  
is still in my mom’s care for financial support, which I’ve begun helping with since my  
mom is getting older. This is the third house she’s had under my parent’s care. She will  
always be under their care. She will always need extra support. We’re continuing to  
work with the City to make sure Amber has a place to live, but we are also very  
frustrated with the sanitation of the house.  
Duncan: I am really trying. I’m not the best at everything. I really don’t want to be on  
the streets with my kids.  
Smith: I’ve never seen her do as well as she has since this started. I have seen a huge  
change in Amber. I’d ask for more time to make some of this stuff. I thought we were  
going into this meeting to make a plan for that. That this wasn’t the end-all, be all.  
Moermond: I was anticipating a plan would have been submitted by Amber or you prior  
to this hearing; yesterday or Friday. That’s a problem.  
Smith: ohhhh. I did not understand that when I read the document. I didn’t understand I  
was supposed to submit something like that.  
Moermond: well, you weren’t. Amber was. However you divide up the responsibility is  
fine with me but ultimately the responsibility lies with Amber.  
Duncan: I’m going to be honest Marcia, with my mental health stuff I didn’t understand  
half of that paperwork, which is why my sister is helping me so much. You have to  
understand that I am really trying here. I’m doing the best I can to get my house better  
to get what the City wants. But it is going to take me time. It isn’t just a two-week thing  
and then the whole house is going to be fixed and immaculate. It isn’t gonna be that. It  
may take 3 to 6 months to get everything fixed.  
Smith: we can’t get the windows fixed. We’re trying to work with certain programs.  
There are things I can do but they will take time. As far as the cleaning I left it up to  
the 10 people living there, it is their house. If you want to give me 2 days I can write up  
a plan and submit it.  
Moermond: any other comments before I give you mine?  
Duncan: when Department of Safety & Inspections I came in the first time you couldn’t  
even walk through the house. It was not safe and I know that. I’m at fault for that  
because I should have been harder on the people that were living here to help keep it  
clean. I should have been harder on myself to get up and do stuff that I normally  
cannot do, just to make sure my house is in good condition. However, since then we  
have scrubbed all the floors and most of the walls. Gotten rid of tons of garbage which  
Richard could vouch for. We’ve been trying to decrease as much stuff that doesn’t  
belong in the house that we can to make it set up as an actual house, not just a pigsty  
and a playpen for garbage. I do want to be somewhere with my kids. I do want  
somewhere safe with my kids. I know I’ve really messed up and I’m trying to do better.  
I am sorry.  
Moermond: no need to apologize. When I originally got the appeal on this  
condemnation and order to vacate, there were a number of things that were seriously  
concerning and we talked about those and put first the heat being restored and if that  
happened we could continue on a work plan to address the other issues remaining so  
they wouldn’t have to be done instantly, but still get done. In the past couple of weeks,  
I’ve been looking at whether substantial improvements have been made and then a  
work plan. I really needed that and I needed the inspectors able to see progress when  
they came out. I get some things were removed, but I also heard from House Calls  
that their free dumpster wasn’t used at all. Then I look at pictures and see garbage  
bags on the exterior of the property and I’m thinking that was hundreds of dollars in  
public money for you and that it didn’t happen is disappointing. That really speaks  
more to the plan and how we get things done than current circumstances. If I look at a  
snapshot in time, conditions right now, which is the thing I need to look at to make a  
determination about whether this is a safe, healthy environment for people –adults or  
children. That’s my concern. I have got feedback about the likelihood of you being  
able to maintain things moving forward and that isn’t good. I’ve heard from you that  
there are disability issues impacting the ability to get this property clean and safe and  
maintain it moving forward. I can’t consider that when I look at this, aside from how it  
may influence a work plan. Is it, right now, safe for people to be living in? How can we  
work on that and the probability of it getting better based on active steps taken.  
Despite your needing assistance, I also don’t hear any legal guardian in place to take  
over official decision-making for the property. You are the responsible party. I  
understand its hard for you, but I can only focus on the health and safety of the  
property. When I look at the photos and we just emailed you a police report from  
January 2, and the photos, I have to say the sanitation issues are really bad. You are  
mopping the floor the morning of an inspection and it appears to be the first step taken  
to clean. I find the property to be in a state of extreme dilapidation and interior  
damage. It is very unsanitary. One could consider that the illnesses experiences could  
be connected to the sanitation issues. You have over the legal number of animals in  
the property. I have given you every opportunity I would give others in this situation. In  
my mind I treated this fairly, given an opportunity to continue to be there and take  
steps to get it habitable. This isn’t a safe house to live in and there’s no imminent end  
in sight. I just don’t think this is tenable right now, not doable. My recommendation to  
the Council is the property be vacated by noon on Friday. The Council may look at it  
differently, you can definitely testify. You now have the police report. Animal control  
has to be notified. Child protective services has to be notified. Police have concerns  
about the safety of the property, particularly the children. I spoke with Officer Perez  
this morning, and I said if he has those concerns there’s nothing in this process  
stopping you from pursuing this. The Council Public Hearing is tomorrow at 3:30. I’ll be  
writing a letter similar to the one in December. Then it becomes Vacant Building rules,  
which allows people in there to clean between 8 am and 8 pm. With number of people,  
animals, and sanitation and damage in the house I can’t see my way clear.  
Smith: the animals need to be turned over to animal control?  
Moermond: no, re-homed. Whether it is someone you know, or animal control. They  
can’t stay in an empty house. Are there turtles too?  
Smith: yes, a big fish tank with turtles. My main concern is keeping the property  
secure and keeping the water lines from freezing. We’ll have to figure out what the  
Vacant Building program means for us long-term.  
Moermond: you may want to look at dealing with things that require water earlier, and  
then decide to winterize it so you can drain the pipes and turn the heat off.  
Smith: we’ll probably keep it on so we can get it cleaned out. During the vacancy if we  
get it back to some sort of level of repair do we go back to the City so Amber can live  
in it again? Is there a process to that?  
Moermond: if this goes into the Vacant Building program, this will be a Category 2  
Vacant Building. It has significant housing code violations and was condemned. You  
will have to get an inspection report from the City to bring it into minimum code  
compliance. Once those are done it can be reoccupied. That means pulling permits,  
doing the work, and getting them finaled. You could move back in then. That’s how the  
bureaucracy works at the City.  
Duncan: no one needs to file with animal control or CPS because it has already been  
done. Animal control is trying to work with me as it is. CPS has been out numerous  
times.  
Moermond: and I don’t have any control over either of those. Maybe we will see you  
tomorrow. I’m sorry this isn’t working out.  
Duncan: that was the other thing. Is there any way to make that a little earlier? I have  
to work at 4:30 and my van’s breaks went out so I have to take the bus. That means I  
have to leave around 3:30.  
Moermond: there’s no way for the Council to begin before 3:30.  
Duncan: ok. Can I do it over the phone?  
Moermond: you’d have to have signed up today for that before noon. Can Tara speak  
on your behalf?  
Duncan: she can. It wouldn’t be fair for the date for me to have to have it in because I  
didn’t even know we were having a meeting tomorrow.  
Moermond: it was in the letter I sent you.  
Smith: I can’t, I have to take Dad to a doctor appointment at 3.  
Moermond: if you have testimony then, put it in writing and we can put it in front of  
Council in writing. We’ll send a letter following the Council meeting.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/8/2025  
Summary & Vehicle Abatement Orders  
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RLH SAO  
24-82  
Appeal of Joseph Richardson to a Summary Abatement Order and a  
Vehicle Abatement Order at 1875 NORTH PARK DRIVE. (Refer to  
January 7, 2025 Legislative Hearing)  
Johnson  
Sponsors:  
Grant to January 27, 2025 for compliance with SAO. Grant to February 3, 2025 for  
compliance with VAO.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/22/2025  
Making Finding on Nuisance Abatements  
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Making finding on the appealed nuisance abatement ordered for 317  
DALY STREET in Council File RLH SAO 24-81.  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
The nuisance is abated and the matter resolved.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/15/2025  
Correction Orders  
RLH CO 25-1  
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Appeal of Shyann Murphy to a Correction Notice at 2151 MINNEHAHA  
AVENUE EAST.  
Johnson  
Sponsors:  
Grant the appeal, and grant to January 24, 2025 for compliance with moving vehicle(s)  
to approved surface.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/22/2025  
1:00 p.m. Hearings  
Vacant Building Registrations  
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RLH VBR  
24-73  
Appeal of Shawn Punjwani, Embassy Thomas LLC, to a Vacant Building  
Registration Notice at 1333 THOMAS AVENUE.  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Waive VB fee for 90 days (to March 1, 2025) and allow permits to be pulled.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/22/2025  
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RLH VBR 25-2  
Appeal of Chang Hua Wang to a Vacant Building Registration  
Requirement at 1484 CHARLES AVENUE.  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Deny the appeal. Property to remain a Cat 2 VB and require CCI.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/22/2025  
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RLH VBR 25-1  
RLH VBR 25-3  
Appeal of Chang Hua Wang to a Vacant Building Registration  
Requirement at 1649 EDMUND AVENUE.  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Deny the appeal. Property to remain a Cat 2 VB and require CCI.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/22/2025  
Appeal of Zach Kirchoff, Ireland Homes, to a Vacant Building  
Registration Renewal Notice at 1650 SHERBURNE AVENUE.  
Jalali  
Sponsors:  
Waive the VB fee for 90 days (to April 4, 2025).  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/22/2025  
Appeal of Ozzy Zachran, O.I.G. Holdings, to a Vacant Building  
Registration Notice at 383 TORONTO STREET.  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Layover to LH February 18, 2025 at 1 pm for further discussion after full Fire C of O  
inspection; waive VB fee for 90 days to March 4, 2025.  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 2/18/2025  
1:30 p.m. Hearings  
Orders To Vacate - Fire Certificate of Occupancy  
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RLH VO 24-4  
Appeal of Raj Mehta to a Correction Notice-Complaint Inspection (which  
includes condemnation) at 220 ROBERT STREET SOUTH. (Refer to  
January 7, 2025 Legislative Hearing)  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Grant the appeal as conditions outlined in prior resolution were met.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/22/2025  
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Appeal of Jerry A. Brashier to a Revocation of Fire Certificate of  
Occupancy and Order to Vacate at 511 MINNEHAHA AVENUE EAST.  
(Refer to January 7, 2025 Legislative Hearing)  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Layover to LH January 21, 2025 at 1:30 p.m. for further discussion after review of  
engineering analysis by City engineer.  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 1/21/2025  
2:00 p.m. Hearings  
Fire Certificates of Occupancy  
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Appeal of Casandra and Patrick Bradley to a Correction  
Notice-Complaint Inspection at 365 BATES AVENUE.  
Johnson  
Sponsors:  
Layover to LH February 4, 2025 at 2 pm for further discussion.  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 2/4/2025