15 West Kellogg Blvd.  
Saint Paul, MN 55102  
City of Saint Paul  
Minutes - Final  
Legislative Hearings  
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer  
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator  
Joanna Zimny, Executive Assistant  
Tuesday, June 20, 2023  
9:00 AM  
Room 330 City Hall & Court House/Remote  
9:00 a.m. Hearings  
Special Tax Assessments  
RLH TA 23-230  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1093  
EUCLID STREET. (File No. VB2309, Assessment No. 238811)  
Approve the assessment.  
Voicemail left at 9:15 am: this is Marcia Moermond from St. Paul City Council trying to  
reach Lee Yan. I am calling you about your appealed tax assessment for 1093 Euclid.  
We will try you back in a little bit.  
Voicemail left at 9:41 am: this is Marcia Moermond from St. Paul City Council trying to  
reach you again about your appealed tax assessment at 1093 Euclid. We’ve tried  
reaching out 4 times on this appeal, so I’m going to recommend this Vacant Building  
assessment is approved. Your new Council Public Hearing June 21. We’ll confirm that  
by email.  
Update: email was sent with correct Council Public Hearing date of 7/19/23 - JZ.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/19/2023  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 600  
HATCH AVENUE. (File No. J2301V1, Assessment No. 238001)  
(Amend to delete)  
Delete the assessment.  
No one appeared  
Moermond: notice was provided to the previous owner during the current owner’s period  
of ownership, therefore recommend deletion of the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 6/28/2023  
RLH TA 23-170  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 381  
Assessment No. 238519) (Refer back to June 20, 2023 Legislative  
Approve the assessment.  
Robert Rulon-Miller, owner, appeared via phone  
Moermond: we finished things off where you were talking about having to reached out  
to the St. Paul Police Department about the problems with the homeless encampment  
on the back of your property. I committed to looking into call records. I wasn’t sure if  
that could play a role in a possible reduction, but I thought it was important information  
to have. We ran a call log from January 1, 2022 through the present which at that time  
was May 21. There were 8 calls that were made that could pertain to homeless  
activities at the property prior to the orders for the cleanup. I was looking for welfare,  
disturbances, DWI, fire/ambulance. Those kinds of situations sound to me like decent  
possibilities that the incoming call would have been coded that way. So, I can see  
there were calls.  
Rulon-Miller: 8 calls is too many for this issue. As far as the situation on the property  
with the encampment. I made 2, possibly 3 calls.  
Moermond: it really isn’t great. And there were more calls than that to those locations  
because we had to call in the intersections, Irvine and Ramsey and Summit and  
Ramsey to get at the location at the back of your property. There are a lot of traffic  
calls and things like that as well. We’ll share those with you. Do I agree this is more  
than it should be? Of course. If I had a neighbor that required this many calls, it would  
make me upset as well. In terms of the responsibility for the cleanup. The only system  
we have in place in St. Paul is to say a private property owner is responsible for  
maintaining their private property. I would suggest you may or may not want to talk to  
the City Council about the policy for how these assessments for encampment cleanup  
are done. MR. Yannarelly, can you summarize inspector notes?  
Yannarelly: it is an ongoing problem. It started in 2019 and various notations. No other  
problems except homeless encampment issues.  
Rulon-Miller: it is at the corner of Irvine and Ramsey, but it is an easy place to access  
since the steps come down Irvine and hop the rail to get into the property. I’ve owned  
this house since 1989. It has been an ongoing problem. When I was younger I went in  
and cleaned it up myself. But I’m 71 now. I don’t want to confront these people. That’s  
why I called the police.  
Moermond: and the notes you have are from Code Enforcement Inspectors Mr.  
Yannarelly: yes. This goes back to 2019, nothing noted about this before then.  
Moermond: the police information I just had run from 2022 to the present, so it doesn’t  
capture anything before then. I get the St. Paul Police Department was called prior to  
that. I’m stuck with the responsibility for maintaining this goes to the owner  
themselves. How the City manages charging that out is probably a policy conversation.  
I don’t really have any tools to share that would decrease the cost of this assessment.  
I have a great deal of sympathy for your position, but I don’t have anything I can do as  
myself. We will send you these records so you have them. I asked the Council to  
schedule this for Council Public Hearing July 19, 3:30 p.m.  
Rulon-Miller: how does the City deal with encampments on private property. I don’t mind  
them sleeping there, it bothers me they were making a racket with a drum and woke  
me up. I wouldn’t have called otherwise. I’m curious about the City’s policy for  
encampments on private property, do they take them away?  
Moermond: my understanding is that before anything is removed, any people, there is  
outreach for something like a week of social workers and other kinds of people in that  
area trying to help them find shelter that is appropriate for their needs. Also giving  
them notice of what is going on. Did a call to the police trigger that? I kind of don’t  
think so. I’ve seen that area of a dot on a map for a long time, what takes it from a  
level of people sleeping there to taking action I don’t know. But I do know the City is  
aware of pretty much every encampment out there. They have full time staff out there  
working with people trying to get them into more appropriate shelter.  
Rulon-Miller: don’t you think if I make the call to the police they would have said here is  
what you should do, call those social workers. I didn’t know about that until you told  
Moermond: you wouldn’t be responsible for calling them. That wouldn’t be on a private  
citizen. That is part of the homeless team, the HART team—Homeless Action  
Response Team. They take complaints about people sleeping, those types of  
activities and try to create a priority list. You wouldn’t be responsible for identifying  
professional services.  
Rulon-Miller: which begs the question, why didn’t they do that after my call?  
Moermond: I’m not a part of that team or making their priorities. I would have to ask  
them their procedures. I have a high-level understanding of this.  
Yannarelly: however it gets called into the system, whether it’s the general line or  
police, it filters down to the HART team. They are the ones who issue the Summary  
Abatement Order to clean up the property.  
Moermond: the inspector who wrote the orders is a member of that team. That’s where  
that came from, the Code Enforcement inspector in that team.  
Rulon-Miller: where do we go from here?  
Moermond: the Council Public Hearing is July 19, and we’ll send you that email with  
those documents.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/19/2023  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 664/666  
SEVENTH STREET WEST. (File No. J2320A, Assessment No. 238523)  
Approve the assessment  
Felix Aleynykov, owner, appeared via phone  
Moermond: we got your email that you sent after the last hearing May 16 of work you  
were doing each day to get rid of the snow and ice. I have reviewed them and I have to  
say that I’m still persuaded by the video of how things looked on the 12th. I recognize  
you were making some progress, but we do need to have it cleared for people to have  
passage through. I’m struggling to decrease this assessment based on the photos. I’m  
going to recommend approval of the assessment. I’m seeing in the time period we’re  
talking about, the 9th through the 12th the temperatures would have accommodated  
salt use and have it be successful. The lowest high temp was 29 degrees, and as high  
as 43 degrees. I’m left with the recommendation to approve. We’ve attached the  
photos to the file so the Council can see them. you can also testify at the Council  
meeting; they may look at it differently than I do. I know that’s not the answer you were  
looking for today, I’m sorry.  
Aleynykov: I’m not going to argue your decision. If it makes any difference it will be  
easier for me now that I know what territory I need to clean up. It is really hard to clean  
that corner because of the plows.  
Moermond: I recognize that.  
Aleynykov: I know you can’t control drivers, but I’ve spoken to quite a few plow  
companies and many refuse to take St. Paul properties because of this issue.  
Moermond: what you are saying is true of a number of locations in the City. The roads  
were established a long time ago when they had a bit of a different use and more of  
the right-of-way was taken away for lanes of traffic. That eats up that area between  
sidewalk and curb. So you are right, that is true of any older City where the streets  
were lain before the automobile really. I sympathize, you aren’t the first person to tell  
me that. I would suggest perhaps the Council office may be helpful, I honestly don’t  
know. This has a Council Public Hearing June 28, you are welcome to talk or submit  
Referred to the City Council due back on 6/28/2023  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 16  
DOUGLAS STREET. (File No. J2322A, Assessment No. 238528)  
Layover to LH July 18, 2023 at 9 am for discussion of potential dumping mitigation  
measures after review of area by CE inspector.  
Brad Eilts, representing owner Dane Kuhn, appeared via phone  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Moermond: a packet was sent June 13; did you get that?  
Eilts: yes, I did get that.  
Staff report by Supervisor Joe Yannarelly: March 8, 2023 a Summary Abatement Order  
was issued to remove and dispose of the chair and box spring from the property.  
Compliance date of March 15. It was sent to Dane Kuhn and occupant at 16 Douglas.  
Rechecked March 26, work order was sent and Parks did the abatement March 29 for  
a total assessment of $442.  
Moermond: why is Mr. Kuhn appealing?  
Eilts: I’m appealing because there is a big issue of debris. There are a lot of homeless  
and pedestrian traffic and a lot of debris getting thrown in the alley. My daughter called  
in March and I wasn’t able to help until April. I got there and there was a mattress and  
a ton of trash. The first day I went I got rid of the mattress, cleaned up 2 bags of trash  
and then I’ve been going back every week since to keep it cleaned up. I’ve had to  
clean out a TV, two tires, broken bicycle. It is a nonstop issue and it shouldn’t be all  
on my daughter or son in law to clean it up. That’s my reason. I don’t dispute what the  
City did, I just think it is a larger problem than a box spring and chair and the City  
should be involved in the solution.  
Moermond: it doesn’t look like there is a fence around the yard, is that right?  
Eilts: there is around the backyard, but it doesn’t go all the way out to the alley. They  
have a little building outside of their fence.  
Moermond: and that’s the area getting the dumping?  
Eilts: yes.  
Moermond: I am looking at the aerial and I can tell where the fence is from the  
shadow. Have you considered moving the fence out to the alley to put some physical  
barrier there? Right now, to me it looks like a space that obviously doesn’t have eyes  
on it, it is tucked away.  
Yannarelly: it is a tough situation with the parking lot behind it and the turn around.  
Moermond: is there a light pole in the alley there?  
Eilts: they put solar lights out there and they got stolen.  
Yannarelly: I think moving the fence wouldn’t stop anyone.  
Eilts: yeah, debris already gets thrown over.  
Moermond: what height is that fence?  
Eilts: 6 feet I think.  
Moermond: they can go a full 8 feet. Again, I think that makes it harder to throw things  
over, but certainly not impossible. We’ve had people have luck with signage. Does that  
garage have electricity?  
Eilts: no, it is just a storage shed.  
Yannarelly: and it is an expensive undertaking for not guaranteed results. It just makes  
it more obscured from the house.  
Moermond: right. The Council Public Hearing is August 8. Have you seen evidence of  
a homeless encampment in the cul-de-sac?  
Eilts: not in the cul-de-sac, in the alley. The mattress was where someone was  
obviously sleeping. They walk through Master Chef’s property.  
Moermond: I’d like to send the area supervisor out there to take a look and see if they  
have any suggestions for “hardening the target” as well as the City team that works  
with the unsheltered. Ultimately is it the responsibility of the property owner to maintain  
the property? Yes. In circumstances like this where there is repetitive dumping. We  
have a history of orders being written and you always being on top of it, if we could do  
things to make it less likely to have it be a target in the future. Then it would make  
sense to decrease this to offset the costs. Reaching out to Xcel to see if the pole can  
be lit. I’d like to see if we couldn’t offset some of that with the assessment. We would  
be saving the City money in deploying inspectors if we can get this under control.  
Eilts: yes, that’s fine. Right now, there are jersey barriers at the end of the alley, and  
something taller there would help too. Right now you can step over the top of them.  
Yannarelly; is there still a break in the fence at the end of the alley?  
Eilts: yes, it gets repaired and then kicked down again. There are two openings in it.  
The back alley, something more solid people can’t climb would help a lot too.  
Moermond: I will continue this to July 18th to talk again.  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 7/18/2023  
RLH TA 23-245  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 550  
MINNEHAHA AVENUE WEST. (File No. J2322A, Assessment No.  
Reduce assessment from $322 to $25.  
Shoua Yang, owner, appeared via phone  
Moermond: I just had a chance to review the before and after video of when the crew  
came there. What I’m going to recommend to the Council is this, a reduction to $25.  
I’m thinking we had about one and a half to two squares of sidewalk with thick ice, the  
rest was clear. That would have been difficult for neighbors, but the crew went out on a  
cold day and just put down ice and salt. This isn’t removing it, it just making it easier  
to remove it in the future. Is that reduction from $322 to $25 acceptable.  
Yang: that would be greatly appreciated. My concern was that my fence was broken,  
and I think they broke it with their truck. I called the City and complained and didn’t  
have any proof. I don’t know—  
Moermond: check your video. It looks to me like they didn’t bring a truck up at all, I  
didn’t see tire tracks and I didn’t see the ice was scraped along the top. Normally you  
can see the plow blade. All I saw was they dumped salt and sand on some ice. You  
can definitely pursue reimbursement by filing a claim form.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 8/2/2023  
RLH TA 23-244  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 570  
PORTLAND AVENUE. (File No. J2322A, Assessment No. 238528)  
Approve the assessment.  
Chelsey Smith, owner, appeared via phone  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Joe Yannarelly: the Summary Abatement Order to remove  
snow and ice was issued March 14, 24-hour compliance. Rechecked March 17 and  
found packed ice and snow remained. Parks did the abatement March 21 for a total  
assessment of $322.  
Moermond: you are appealing why, Ms. Smith?  
Smith: I’m a new homeowner, the labor charge ---I was present and home at the time.  
It was a tough winter, not debating the state of the sidewalk. They were there maybe  
10 minutes and didn’t really make a material change. It felt like a big fee for 5 minutes  
of the machine.  
Moermond: you’re curious about breakdown of costs? The quality of the work?  
Smith: I’m curious what time I’m being billed for.  
Moermond: looks to me like they sent a truck down and scraped down the top of the  
ice which was pretty bumpy and then salted and sanded. They scraped in basically. I’m  
sure that didn’t take long. And then it looks like they moved on to your neighbor who  
had a similar situation.  
Yannarelly: $160 is the cost of deploying the crew with several workers and equipment  
out there. The service charge is the cost of this procedure and adding to tax  
assessment and real estate rolls.  
Moermond: and the amount it costs to deploy a crew, for example if Ms. Smith had a  
couple of old couches hanging out in the yard, what would the charge be to send a  
crew to remove that? Is that $260?  
Yannarelly: $272.  
Moermond: the $160 is the minimum half hour charge vs. the hourly charge minimum.  
Is it high? Yes. Is it the highest? No.  
Smith: that information helps. I’m happy to settle with where you are at. I’d like to leave  
the City feedback that it is challenging to get snail mail and have a 24 hour turn  
around. Seems email or text message would be timelier because we do want to avoid  
the City having to come deal with this.  
Moermond: my understanding is they are working to replace the system used to  
support this. I will say the Code says by first class mail, but I have to come back and  
say the Code also says if there is an inch of snow it must be removed in 24 hours.  
March had 3 times with a couple inches of snow and March 1 until orders were sent  
there was 8.6”. There is a lot of notice provided by virtue of the snow falling. I realize  
that sounds patronizing, but it is a lot of ice for anyone with any type of disability to  
navigate. Be on top of these things as they happen.  
Smith: that’s not patronizing.  
Moermond: I think email or text is something the City is interested in doing on top of  
the legally required US mail. We just aren’t technologically there. Thank you for the  
feedback. Take care, I wish you a good rest of the day.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 8/2/2023  
RLH TA 23-243  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 576  
PORTLAND AVENUE. (File No. J2322A, Assessment No. 238528)  
Reduce assessment from $322 to $275.  
Kristen Lillvis, owner, appeared via phone  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Joe Yannarelly: Summary Abatement Order was issued  
March 14 to remove snow and ice from the sidewalk. Compliance of 24 hours.  
Rechecked March 17 and Parks did the abatement March 21 for a total assessment of  
Moermond: why are you appealing Ms.  
Lillvis: we do clean our sidewalks daily, if not multiple times a day. Prior to treatment  
the snow is not more than an 8th of an inch thick. There was salt on the ground and  
you can see bare pavement. The after video looks the same, no discernable difference  
in the thickness of the snow.  
Moermond: I did review the video for this Friday, let me review it again. They sent  
through a pickup with a blade to scrape it. It made it level and added salt. They were  
there. Did they get rid of all of it? No, they didn’t. You’re right it wasn’t completely  
removed. I’m wondering what you are looking for today?  
Lillvis: ideally we would like the assessment removed because I feel like we really did  
it to the best of our ability, in the same way the follow up was cleared.  
Moermond: I am not going to concur with you there. Most properties near yours had  
cleared it. We did have a lot of warm days in there. Salt would have worked to put  
down. Certainly, sand too, I don’t know you came to have so much ice accumulated  
there. It was really substantial.  
Lillvis: I would be interested in seeing the video you have, because the side of the  
street there is someone out there with snow and ice. We’re all really good stewards. I  
am skeptical, it is hard for me and having looked out the window. We typically have a  
little snow always because it is the side of the street. I don’t see any significant  
difference in the before and after. If the truck can’t clear it, what is a homeowner to  
Moermond: 8 inches of snow fell. I see a lack of maintenance that led to that. I face  
east and my sidewalk was clear. I don’t know if you had good luck staying on top of it  
but doesn’t look like it from my point of view. Your neighbor was also cleared by the  
City. The one further down was clear.  
Lillvis: can I see those?  
Moermond: the before video for your property you can see down the street to the other  
side. Is it the best job in the whole world? No. is scraping and picking ice difficult?  
Yes. I’m struggling with what to do with your case, would it have been nice if they stood  
there and chipped away the ice? Sure, but the charges would be a lot more. I can see  
a minor reduction for the fact that some of it was showing cement. That is really minor,  
I’ll recommend a reduction to $275. The Council could look at things differently, that  
door is open and you can definitely do that.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 8/2/2023  
10:00 a.m. Hearings  
Special Tax Assessments  
RLH TA 23-241  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 241-243  
AURORA AVENUE. (File No. J2323A, Assessment No. 238530)  
Delete the assessment.  
No one appeared  
Moermond: orders were sent to wrong address, delete the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 8/2/2023  
RLH TA 23-248  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1541 and  
1543 JACKSON STREET. (File No. J2309E, Assessment No. 238311)  
Reduce assessment from $159 to $100. Continue CPH to January 3, 2024 and if no  
same or similar violations by December 20, 2023 delete the assessment in full.  
Yonis Gabow, owner, appeared via phone  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Lisa Martin: December 20, 2023 Summary Abatement Order  
was issued to remove mattress and box spring from the front year. Compliance Date of  
December 27th. A work order was issued, by the time the crew went out on January 9  
we issued what is called a “PAEC” for the cost of deploying the crew. Total  
assessment of $159.  
Moermond: why are you appealing?  
Gabow: I thought after I got the notice the issue was resolved; I didn’t understand  
about the crew and the associated fees. If I could have it reduced or waived, I’m a  
disabled veteran looking for full-time employment. The economics of the fee are my  
appeal grounds.  
Moermond: you just missed the December 28 deadline. There is really no record of  
violations at this property. While I can’t consider income in evaluating these, I can look  
at history and expectations for the future. So, what I will recommend is the City Council  
continue the Council Public Hearing for your case to December 20, 2023. If on that  
date if there have been no problems I’ll recommend this is deleted entirely. Keep the  
lawn mowed, show shoveled, take care of anything in the yard. I’ll recommend now it is  
reduced now to $100.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/19/2023  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1848  
REANEY AVENUE. (File No. J2321A, Assessment No. 238524)  
Approve the assessment.  
Hilary Nguyen, owner, appeared  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Lisa Martin: Summary Abatement Order was issued January  
9, 2023 to remove and dispose of couches and miscellaneous furniture from the rear of  
the property. Compliance date of January 23. Rechecked January 23. WE did send to  
the crew, and the work was done March 8. There is no returned mail. History at the  
property, May 2, 2023 garbage, no work order. February 13, 2023, no work order.  
March 24, 2022 garbage, no work order. November 16, 2023 no work order, and March  
12, 2021 garbage.  
Nguyen: my question is, this is for the couch, right?  
Moermond: ultimately that is what was removed, yes.  
Nguyen: my tenants thought she remove it, but then I saw the video and she didn’t do  
it. Yeah, I agree with the fine for the couch. Is there any way we can reduce it? It is  
going to be passed onto the tenant anyway. Is there a way to reduce the fine for her?  
Moermond: what would be the basis for that reduction?  
Nguyen: I guess I have no explanation; I’m just asking to help her out. If not, I pass on  
the full amount to her.  
Moermond: how you have your contract with your tenant is your business, we won’t  
subsidize that contract. I do see a substantial pile of material in the back yard, mostly  
furniture. What remained was a couch. There were 2 months between orders and crew  
going out. I can’t recommend anything but approval. The City did do the work. Giving a  
consideration because it is a tenant, how you recoup your costs or you pay it yourself,  
that’s on you to sort out.  
Nguyen: that was removed. March my tenant had more couches. The first pile was  
removed. She put her couch in February again. I told her to remove it. I just wanted to  
say it was two different tenants at two different locations.  
Moermond: and it is hard to tell that definitively. I can say that in the photo taken  
January 23 I do see a beige piece of furniture that appears to match the photo of the  
couch March 8. From looking at this it looks it is probably the same piece. If she  
actually did it and was in compliance, how you manage the cost is between you.  
Nguyen: I have pictures in February of the lot being empty.  
Moermond: you are welcome to submit that. The Council Public Hearing is June 28th,  
next week.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 6/28/2023  
Deleting the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 274  
SIDNEY STREET EAST. (File No. J2318A, Assessment No. 238518)  
Delete the assessment.  
Voicemail left at 11:27 am at x7199: this is Marcia Moermond from St. Paul City  
Council calling you about your appealed special tax assessment for 274 East Sidney  
Street. Your appeal was a late arrival so I just was able to review it, I’m sure the orders  
issued January 10 were issued about the 15” the week before, it was checked the  
13th, but it took the crew a few more weeks to get there in which an additional 6” of  
snow fell. So, while the crew did deal with ice accumulation, it didn’t look like all the  
snow that fell during January. I’ll recommend deletion of assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 6/28/2023  
RLH TA 23-242  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 733  
THOMAS AVENUE. (File No. J2309E, Assessment No. 238311)  
Delete the assessment.  
No one appeared  
Moermond: orders issued December 16 but they were issued by Vacant Building staff  
who don’t take photos. On recheck they indicated the work wasn’t done. Again, no  
photos. We do know when the crew showed up the walk was clear. No records from  
Parks. The lack of record keeping means I don’t feel comfortable recommending  
approval of this assessment, I’ll recommend deletion of the assessment.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/19/2023  
Special Tax Assessments-ROLLS  
RLH AR 23-55  
Ratifying the assessments for Property Clean Up services during March  
14 to 31, 2023 (File No. J2322A, Assessment No. 238528)  
Referred to the City Council due back on 8/2/2023  
RLH AR 23-56  
Ratifying the assessments for Property Clean Up services during April 5  
to 13, 2023 (File No. J2323A, Assessment No. 238530)  
Referred to the City Council due back on 8/2/2023  
11:00 a.m. Hearings  
Summary & Vehicle Abatement Orders  
Appeal of Richard Pittman to a Vehicle Abatement Order at 817  
Grant the appeal noting the orders were issued for a nuisance condition that has since  
been abated.  
No one appeared  
Moermond: Ms. Martin you were mentioning we have new plates and current tabs and  
being donated, and is now operable?  
Supervisor Lisa Martin: that appears to be the case, tires are inflated. It appears to be  
Moermond: my action will be that the Council grants the appeal noting the orders were  
issued for issues that have now been abated.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/12/2023  
Appeal of William Williams to a Summary Abatement Order at 1009  
Grant to July 14, 2023 for compliance.  
William Williams, owner, appeared  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Lisa Martin: we have a Vehicle Abatement Order on a white  
Acura with expired tabs. A Summary Abatement Order was issued May 30, 2023 to  
occupant and owner to remove a recliner and miscellaneous debris from the rear yard.  
Compliance was for June 7th. Appeal was filed.  
Williams: we did solve the vehicle. New plates, registration and insurance.  
Moermond: what is going on with the furniture and fire pit?  
Williams: I wasn’t sure if that was included. It has a grill top. The weekend before the  
inspector came by all of us roommates moved the chairs from the patio to the yard  
and didn’t clean up. Naturally, everything is put away. The recliner has been out for 7  
months on the patio. I sit on it because I don’t want to buy patio furniture and there’s  
no room in the house for it. I don’t sit outside when it is raining. Can I leave it there?  
Moermond: the recliner is what is called out here, and debris.  
Williams: there is a panel owned by the homeowner for the fence, I don’t want that  
Moermond: I don’t see a fence panel in the orders, Ms. Martin? Is that under  
miscellaneous debris.  
Martin: we’d normally name it specifically, or maybe wood. It is more the interior  
furniture that we don’t allow stored on the exterior. We don’t accept that on the porch or  
the backyard.  
Moermond: Ms. Martin, must a fire pit be 15 feet from structure and property lines?  
Martin: I’d have to check.  
Moermond: you can’t have the chair and recliner out there. No soft materials. They  
worry about providing harborage for pests. For your situation, I’m assuming you are  
also concerned about costs and logistics of getting rid of it.  
Williams: that’s not it, more or less I just wanted to know if it was ok to own it.  
Moermond: you can own it; you can’t store it outside.  
Williams: I used to sell patio furniture so I could argue—  
Moermond: and you can.  
Williams: and the chair is vinyl. It may not have been meant for outside.  
Moermond: here’s the thing, with that sized garbage container you get 4 bulky item  
pickups. We can get you the number for the carrier in your neighborhood. I’ll put this in  
front of Council July 12, so I’ll give you to July 14 for compliance.  
Williams: I have no issues getting rid of the chair. I didn’t want to use the bulky item  
pickup and then have them reinspect. I just don’t want anything not ours for us to be  
charged with.  
Martin: it looks fine otherwise.  
Moermond: it is just the two chairs.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/12/2023  
Appeal of Victoria Downey to a Summary Abatement Order at 761  
Grant to November 1, 2023 for compliance (via removal or permission from PW).  
Victoria Downey, owner, appeared via phone  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Lisa Martin: a Summary Abatement Order was issued May  
23, 2023 for an obstruction on the boulevard. To remove the planter box on the  
boulevard by May 30. We received a complaint about several blocks in this  
neighborhood. I know we’re hearing two of those today. The photos are on the  
Summary Abatement Order.  
Moermond: can you tell me about your appeal Ms. Downey?  
Downey: the City’s website I did look up boulevard garden before I put them in during  
2020. There is no mention of raised bed being prohibited. I still have the website  
pulled up. It says they can’t exceed 36” in height. They have to be maintained so there  
is no overhang or encroachment. They can include flowers or vegetables. Mine has  
vegetables. You can’t use herbicides or pesticides, which I am not. If you did you have  
to call ahead of time, but there was no digging. I checked on the website before doing  
anything so it makes no sense that this is now being called out as something  
considered a permanent structure. There is no foundation on it. These are used widely  
throughout the City. Just this morning on my short bide ride I saw six. Even on our  
block there were some not cited because I’ve been in contact with my neighbors.  
Also, the St. Paul Action Climate Resiliency plan includes under “Economic and Social  
Wellbeing” to “encourage equitable spatial distribution of community assets to improve  
food security, including urban farms, community gardens, food markets, and healthy  
food options “ That is page 26. I’d be happy to send the references. I feel that is in  
support of our climate action plan. We’re a City that claims to care about sustainability  
yet we are citing people for trying to grow food. We allow vegetables to be grown in the  
boulevard but the EPA has said there is a lot of soil contamination on the boulevards  
and their recommendation is to use raised beds as an alternative. Boulevard trees are  
owned by the City, you know this, and the raised beds do not disturb the root  
structures of the trees like ones in the ground. All of these things together say to me  
that it doesn’t make sense that we are not allowing this when it hasn’t been cited  
before, it isn’t on the website, and none of this makes sense.  
Moermond: the same chapter about boulevard planting is the same chapter that covers  
installation of structures in the public right-of-way. Chapter 105, “Care and Maintenance  
of Boulevards” indicates it shall be unlawful for any person to throw or deposit any  
garbage or waste on the boulevard--  
Downey: It isn’t garbage though!  
Moermond: I was saying we don’t have an issue there. The next section says, “it shall  
be unlawful for any person to erect or maintain any booth or structure of any kind  
whatever upon any of said boulevards or street lawns, or any other obstruction  
thereon.” What I am seeing is you’re building something in the right-of-way.  
Admittedly, I see them too. It exists. I get that. I also see people who have built the  
little free libraries, occasionally put them on the boulevard. Putting in accessible food  
and vegetables could also be done on private property. It does look like you have a  
retaining wall in front. I am sitting with the knowledge that absolutely there is a public  
interest in having fresh food and vegetables available and accessible. I also see that  
using the City’s public right-of-way, so public passageway, with a raised bed, the first  
concern is it is a trip hazard. More importantly there needs to be permission granted by  
the City in order for that space to be used in this way. I put to you that you would need  
to seek that to have this installation there. Because there is a built-in right to that  
property, it has to be cleared though that process. Public Works could look at this and  
say yes or no, and then there’s a further process after that. My practice with these,  
which doesn’t have to do with the height of the planting, it’s the hard sides installed. I  
have a limited capacity to say you can use the public right-of-way. That is the purview  
of Public Works. I can give an extension for compliance with order by way of removal  
or permission to be there. Either is fine with me. I can’t give that permission. I see that  
unless in the summer someone isn’t likely to trip. Let’s give it through this year’s  
growing season. So, say until October 1, 2023 to get it sorted so this growing year is  
done and you can work with Public Works. I’m totally ok with that, I really am.  
Downey: if I take it to Public Works and they say no and they appeal it do I have to  
pay again to appeal that?  
Moermond: there is a fee to appeal a right-of-way decision, I’d reach out to them about  
having it waived. For my office, since we have a file open, we’d waive the fee. No  
additional $25 on my side. We’ll put this in front of Council July 19th.  
Downey: can it be a different day? I have my son that day.  
Moermond: sure, does July 26 work?  
Downey: yes.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/26/2023  
Appeal of Nicole Mayefske to a Summary Abatement Order at 845  
Grant to November 1, 2023 for compliance (via removal or permission from PW).  
Nicole Mayefske, owner, appeared via phone  
Julian Korger, owner, appeared via phone  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Lisa Martin: a Summary Abatement Order was issued May  
23, 2023 for an obstruction on the boulevard. To remove the planter box on the  
boulevard by May 30. We received a complaint about several blocks in this  
neighborhood. I know we’re hearing two of those today. The photos are on the  
Summary Abatement Order.  
Mayefske: I know you stated other people on our block had received this same letter  
for the planter boxes. These have been up since the pandemic. If you Google  
boulevard plantings in St. Paul the first couple links have plant rules, nothing about  
not having anything around the beds. And then the “nuisance conditions” and that this  
is a structure? They’re 4 pieces of wood nailed together. There are no posts. If utility  
work ever had to be done they could be moved. It is there because it is the only spot  
to grow vegetables on our property. The dirt in this area is garbage. The boxes are  
there because snow and salt get dumped there. Without the boxes it would get  
stepped on by kids, dogs, etcetera. I have no issue with the height requirements, I  
understand that. This is just to protect the veggies we are able to grow from mainly  
Moermond: the same chapter about boulevard planting is the same chapter that covers  
installation of structures in the public right-of-way. Chapter 105.01 indicates “It shall be  
unlawful for any person to throw or deposit, or cause to be thrown or deposited, any  
garbage or other waste material upon any part of any boulevard or street lawn within the  
corporate limits of the City of Saint Paul. Further, it shall be unlawful for any person to  
erect or maintain any booth or structure of any kind whatever upon any of said  
boulevards or street lawns, or any other obstruction thereon.” That’s the code they’re  
looking at. Obviously one of the concerns is quick and easy access to utilities. It is  
also about people needing to pass through that area unobstructed. A trip hazard. Can  
that be discussed further? Absolutely. What I’m stuck with is there is a separate  
process for applying to use any part of the right-of-way for any purpose. If someone  
wants to use the right-of-way to put in a dumpster, things like that. I don’t have a lot I  
can do on whether or not this constitutes a nuisance—which is does over 105—but  
allowing it to exist isn’t within my purview. I can push this out to October 1, and that  
gives to bring in your crop and gives you time to deal with Public Works to see if  
there’s some way to get an encroachment permit for it. I do know it isn’t cheap. I do  
know the other argument made this made this morning was what harm is made by  
using it this way. That is an argument to be made, but it isn’t allowed now. Perhaps  
this is something you’d want to encourage a change in City code a lot. I’ve been talking  
a lot, so let me allow you to speak for a minute or two.  
Mayefske: I don’t think we had anything to add at all. I think Victoria lives right down  
the street. We’ve been chatting about City Code already. What do I need to do now?  
Moermond: if you want to keep it you need to get permission from Public Works to do  
that via an encroachment permit. We will send you information on that. It isn’t cheap  
like appealing this, but I would recommend you talk to them about the possibility of a  
reduced fee. It never hurts to ask. That would be the next step to keep it under the  
Code. Otherwise, I’m trying to get you to the end of the year to harvest and relocate if  
possible. I’m flexible if you need more time.  
Mayefske: that would be great.  
Moermond: would you like November 1, as a deadline?  
Mayefske: yes, please. Thank you.  
Moermond: I’m sorry I couldn’t be more accommodating.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/12/2023  
1:00 p.m. Hearings  
Vacant Building Registrations  
Appeal of Ted Ries to a Vacant Building Registration Notice at 1018  
Grant the appeal of the VB registration on condition the Fire C of O is reinstated by  
August 1, 2023.  
Ted Ries, owner, appeared via phone  
Moermond: today we were following up on the eviction process and state of the  
building. It looks like you sent an email today. Where are we at with that eviction?  
Ries: they’ve been removed. The sheriff came on the 12th. There is a POD of stuff. I  
have to hold their stuff 28 days. They rented a U-Haul and have removed at least half.  
We have an agreement that after this is over, no later than the 28 days, I’ll have  
dumpsters in the driveway. It is all garbage. They’ve been picking away at it. They’ve  
made a lot of progress.  
Moermond: what are the conditions?  
Ries: it looks fine. Just too much stuff. No holes in the floor that I can see, nothing  
hazardous. It just went through the Certificate of Occupancy last year again, I know it  
wasn’t that long. Same thing, too much clutter. It is my top concern and priority. They  
haven’t been paying rent since October.  
Moermond: Ms. Shaff, we did have the building inspected in 2020 that went through  
2021 and another started in the fall of 2022, part of this cycle.  
Shaff: the last one started September of 2020. It actually ended up being condemned  
at one point. I received a C grade, so due in 2022. Started the next inspection cycle in  
October of 2022 and since then haven’t been able to get in nor gain resolution.  
Moermond: your email says you would like until July 15. What I’m thinking is you can  
have your Certificate of Occupancy reinstated by August 1, 2023 then we’ll get you out  
of the Vacant Building program.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/12/2023  
Appeal of Arhondus Simmons to a Vacant Building Registration  
Requirement at 1073-1075 SELBY AVENUE.  
Layover to LH July 11, 2023 for further discussion and results of C of O inspection  
Arhondus Simmons, owner, appeared  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Matt Dornfeld: opened as a Category 2 Vacant Building July  
12, 2022. It was referred to the Vacant Building program by the Fire Inspection Division  
for a Certificate of Occupancy revocation. We have found it to be vacant, secured, and  
maintained. A couple of permits were attempted to be pulled for electrical and  
mechanical work but inspector Robert Humphrey had those abandoned and notes say  
he told property owner they must do the Code Compliance Inspection process before  
permits can be granted.  
Moermond: so, attempted to pull a couple of permits. The condemnation we have the  
electric being shut off basically.  
Simmons: I am not appealing the condemnation, that was an error by Xcel. I have a  
revert to owner with Xcel. It is a small house with a mother-in-law suite upstairs. The  
tenant downstairs was a nuisance to the woman upstairs. The upper unit is the one  
Xcel turned the electricity off to. She had a stroke and couldn’t’ do the stairs. They  
moved her out in the meantime and came back and forth to get her stuff, but they  
didn’t notify Xcel that the mother had terminated her contract. Downstairs, because he  
was a nuisance and broke his lease, I gave him 60-day notice and that is where the  
problem with Travis started. He came to do inspections and the young man didn’t  
comply and I tried to explain that every time Travis came out I had to pay. The only  
thing Travis listed was a minivan in driveway and mattress by the door, he didn’t go in  
the house. I told Travis then, please do not renew because I’m not going to be a  
landlord anymore. This property is across the street from where I live at 1080. The  
young man was on section 8 with his mother, she broke her lease and left her son, he  
was 21 by then. He said he could afford to stay. Then his younger sister became  
involved and made him move. He left stuff in the house. Travis never came back to go  
in. There was a refrigerator in a bedroom that had an extension cord. Outside the  
mattress, I called Republic, I found out they will take bulk stuff. I got rid of the  
mattress; he moved the van.  
Moermond: when was this?  
Simmons: October of---I brought my year and a half of Xcel, it was “revert to owner”  
and every month there was heat and electricity. When I called Xcel they only turned off  
the lights, not for the whole building.  
Moermond: separate furnace for each unit?  
Simmons: yes. I told Travis we were going to remodel and I was going to move. It is  
jointly owned between myself and my ex. I go back and forth from Alabama. I’m retired  
from SP schools. He was to be the maintenance man. He works too much and doesn’t  
open his mail timely. Ignorance is no excuse for not knowing the law. I didn’t get the  
first Vacant Building registration in time. I knew the time to appeal was past. I told him  
that it would be put on the taxes. Luckily I’m here this time, I came down and applied.  
The house isn’t vacant, it is unoccupied. When I asked Travis not to renew the  
Certificate of Occupancy I thought that would take me off this list. I knew I would have  
to have it inspected because Humphrey called me in Match to ask when someone  
could go by. He said it needed a lock box. I was going to comply with that but the  
Vacant Building assessment I feel is—I don’t know.  
Moermond: it is a lot of money  
Simmons: it is. And it is my private home, and information and paperwork got crossed.  
My previous tenant had been there 15 years. After she left there were no more  
inspections, I did have a Certificate of Occupancy inspection. I don’t know when the  
tenant upstairs left. It is unfortunate that Mr. Almstead didn’t hear me say not to give  
me a Certificate of Occupancy because I wasn’t going to be a landlord anymore. The  
letter says he did a drive-by inspection but he never completed the interior inspection.  
Moermond: so we have a couple things going on. What is your intention?  
Simmons: to move in.  
Moermond: I’m trying to find the shortest path. We didn’t get an appeal when it was  
condemned, which does make things more complicated.  
Simmons: they had the permit when they replaced the furnace.  
Moermond: they did, and they applied and it was denied, abandoned. So, they got the  
permit that shows up on the screen for their immediate application. That happened,  
here we are. They couldn’t get a rough-in inspection even. That was in December and  
they haven’t figured that out yet. What else have you done as part of your remodeling?  
Simmons: we redid the floor. Installed carpet. The fridge is pulled away. Just a lot of  
moving things around. I got back up here in April. He got back to me in March. I said I  
wasn’t trying to get rid of the inspection, I was going to redo it and have him come and  
see it was fit for human habitation. But I didn’t know how to cut ties—  
Moermond: and if it is just the electric being shut off that gets you condemned and  
ordered vacated that is a really easy situation for me to deal with in terms of getting the  
electric restored and getting out of the Vacant Building program. This has sat for a  
while. As I listen to you and the things that have been happening, did Mr. Almstead  
walk with you through the building?  
Simmons: he only walked through downstairs. I don’t think he went upstairs. He could  
have, but there were no issues up there. His inspection came up because they drove  
by and saw a van that had no plates and a mattress against the house.  
Shaff: he was in both units.  
Moermond: and the order we have is the Xcel shut off?  
Shaff: no, that was with Inspector Caballero. Inspector Almstead, since it had tenants  
and was part of the Certificate of Occupancy program until the tenants are gone, did a  
full inspection. Inspector Caballero noted that when he got the electric shut off referral  
he made numerous attempts to reach the property owner and couldn’t get through.  
Basically spent a few months doing that before it was sent to the Vacant Building  
Moermond: any issuance with the previous Certificate of Occupancy?  
Shaff: smoke alarms, lower level sleeping room and east sleeping room and living  
room, that was 1073. 1075 plug refrigerator into the receptacle directly. Garage service  
door didn’t lock and the back deck was full of stuff. Inspector Almstead did the  
Certificate of Occupancy process. However, once we’re notified of the Xcel shut off  
and can’t reach the property owner after numerous attempts and it looks unoccupied, it  
will be sent to Vacant Building.  
Moermond: were the old orders cleared?  
Shaff: yes, 2021.  
Moermond: so substantial compliance in 2021, Xcel shut off in 2022, and rapidly  
thereafter we have the building becoming a Vacant Building. The fastest way to deal  
with this is to have your Certificate of Occupancy reinstated. I know you want it to be  
owner-occupied, but that gives me assurance an inspector has gone thorugh and  
looked and weighed in whether it needs a Code Compliance Inspection or not. We  
have heard of appliance installation without a permit. That can be rectified. Can we  
deploy a Fire Certificate of Occupancy inspector?  
Shaff: we would expect payment for a Certificate of Occupancy.  
Moermond: Of course.  
Shaff: I expect things may appear.  
Moermond: I’m hearing they aren’t deep violations across multiple trades. The ones we  
are aware of. Would you be able to do a walkthrough and give me an assessment on  
what kinds of orders you would issue to receive a Certificate of Occupancy?  
Shaff: I’m sure Supervisor Imbertson can do that. We’re short staffed right now. It may  
take a couple weeks to get that done.  
Moermond: and there are things you can continue to do in the meantime. Painting,  
floors, cosmetic items. You can undertake those. I am going to lay this over 3 weeks  
to July 11. In the meantime, do everything in your power to make that appointment  
work when you get it.  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 7/11/2023  
Appeal of Chad Chahoud, Property Manager for Pradeep Khakural, to a  
Vacant Building Registration Requirement at 518 THOMAS AVENUE.  
Grant the appeal of the VB registration on condition the Fire C of O is issued by  
August 1, 2023.  
Shady 'Chad' Chahoud, property manager, appeared  
Moermond: it was sent to Vacant Buildings because it was uninhabitable. From the  
photos taken by the fire department it appears to be the case. Owner in Utah.  
Chahoud: the fire was in the garage. I did apply for the Certificate of Occupancy; I  
didn’t know it didn’t have one. I applied for one as soon as Hector told me. He had  
family living there.  
Staff report by Supervisor Matt Dornfeld: I got an email from Inspector Caballero that  
stated this technically wasn’t in the Certificate of Occupancy program but the house  
was vacant, unsecure, garage alley fire. The garage vehicle door was open. Garbage  
and miscellaneous debris along driveway. I went out and looked, took some photos,  
spoke with some neighbors who were frightened folks were in the garage doing things  
they shouldn’t. Rest Pro was there to secure the hole from the fire, they also secured  
the vehicle door. I went ahead and made this a Category 2 Vacant Building because of  
the vacancy, it wasn’t secured, and obvious unsafe neighborhood nuisance. Sent out a  
Summary Abatement Order. Code sent out a Summary Abatement Order for this stuff  
and has a current work order as of June 14. Inspector Caballero reached back out and  
said he spoke with the owner, wasn’t sure what was going on, can you guys put the  
toothpaste back in the tube on the Category 2 Vacant Building? I told him to have the  
property owner file an appeal since there was a lot going on. I said we’d figure it out  
Chahoud: it was done the moment when he called. This is the deal. The tenant was the  
person doing things in the garage. I understand the neighborhood wasn’t happy, that’s  
why we were working on getting them out. I was fighting with them about the stuff in the  
garage. I cannot remove the stuff from the garage until the tenant moved out. Once we  
got her out we can clean it. There are just a couple bags left, we painted the house.  
The unsecured thing happened because the tenant came back the day after they  
moved out and kicked the door in. My guys have been there every day and fixed the  
door the next day. The garage I can’t do anything besides fixing where it was burned. It  
is now empty. There’s nothing inside. It was all garbage. I have an invoice from a  
company that removes junk. We ripped up the carpet.  
Moermond: what’s the situation with renting the property in the future?  
Chahoud: I applied for the Certificate of Occupancy license. Those people were there  
even before I started managing. The City supported them. We couldn’t evict them  
during Covid because of the eviction ban. The City paid some of the rent.  
Moermond: not the City.  
Chahoud: the County.  
Moermond: the government.  
Chahoud: I love the government; they make our life so easy. Anyway, they paid a  
portion. It wasn’t vacant. I have a $900 water bill for the last 4 months. Finally, I got her  
to leave without filing an eviction, she finally did. They threw a battery in the garbage or  
they purposely burned the garbage. At that time, because they were leaving, she said I  
have a lot of stuff. I told her I’d deal with it. Now you see we cut all the bushes around  
the property. We painted the whole inside and changed the carpet. Now the property  
looks amazing. The garage we still need to fix. They put plywood on the side and that’s  
the only thing we can do.  
Moermond: how long have you been a property manager here?  
Chahoud: two years.  
Moermond: do you manage other properties in St. Paul?  
Chahoud: yes. We manage all around. The question here, to send it directly to Vacant  
Building I don’t consider the right way to do it. They didn’t contact us or give us notice.  
I know the tenant was a troubled person, not a good tenant—  
Moermond: I’m going to push back; it doesn’t mean I’m not hearing you. I have a  
couple things I need to say. Under chapter 43 of the Legislative Code meets the  
definition of a registered Vacant Building at the time MR. Dornfeld showed up. It was  
open to entry. It is a neighborhood nuisance, and it was unoccupied. Seven criteria he  
looks at, 2 were met. Was that a legitimate decision for that snapshot in time? I think  
it was. He suggested it go to appeal because we are in a place where there are  
changing circumstances near to when he made that call. Mr. Dornfeld, is that what you  
meant to say?  
Dornfeld: perfect, yes.  
Moermond: I understand that the people are out now, you have it secured, you have the  
garbage out of the yard. Great. No one lives there. That’s all good. But I have a big  
“shame on you” for not getting the Fire Certificate of Occupancy before occupying this.  
The County records show it was acquired by your boss in Utah in 2018. Well prior to  
the pandemic. It was required to have a Certificate of Occupancy then if it was anyone  
but himself living there. I emphasize this because that is all kinds of wrong. Not a  
good history. Definitely a neighborhood nuisance. No certificate as required under  
Code. There could have been orders that would have been of assistance in working  
with the tenants, hard to say. Could you evict tenants earlier than now? Heck yes.  
You’ve had at least a year to evict them based on their behavior alone. If you can pass  
a Certificate of Occupancy inspection or need a team inspection, I’m thinking if you  
can pass that Certificate of Occupancy inspection we can work with you. You don’t  
have to have the garage be fixed in order for the house to be habitable as long as it  
doesn’t present a danger. Mr. Dornfeld, I assume you assessed whether it was  
dangerous and needs to be demoed?  
Dornfeld: I believe the garage to be structurally stabled.  
Moermond: so new tenants won’t be impeded by the state of the garage.  
Chahoud: we have a Certificate of Occupancy application—  
Moermond: I heard that, and I want to say 5 years. I get you weren’t there, but you’re  
representing the owner.  
Chahoud: I wish he told me—  
Moermond: I asked if you were a property manager and should you know that  
information? Yes, yes you should.  
Chahoud: if you see my record, I have been managing 10 years. Most of time the  
Certificate of Occupancy inspector goes with nothing. They go based on the finding on  
the length of time.  
Shaff: this property has no Fire Certificate of Occupancy.  
Moermond: so there was no inspection one year ago, two years ago.  
Chahoud: right, right.  
Shaff: and I heard you say earlier you didn’t think it needed one because it was a  
relative in there?  
Chahoud: no, no.  
Moermond: I heard that too.  
Shaff: anyway, as a property a manger in St . Paul should know when a Certificate of  
Occupancy is required and I expect you would check to see if it had one when taking  
on a property.  
Chahoud: I would like to correct one point. What I’m saying by two years is my property  
gets inspected every 4 years. It is always habitable. That’s why I didn’t check.  
Shaff: you should always check on every single one if you’re representing them.  
Chahoud: I thought the owner would tell me.  
Shaff: you represent the owner.  
Chahoud: ok, it is our mistake. I’m saying I wish he told me that a long time ago, it is  
an easy solution.  
Shaff: if I take on a job I check these things beforehand.  
Chahoud: that’s great. You are perfect, I am not.  
Moermond: the one thing weighing in your favor is that it is a snapshot in time and it  
appears to be moving forward. The thing not in your favor is the action should have  
been taken up to five years ago. Were you the property manager the entire time? No.  
Should you have known better because you *are* a property manager? I would say yes.  
Where does the owner want to go with the property?  
Chahoud: we want to clean it, remove the remaining items, put in a new floor.  
Moermond: rental?  
Chahoud: yes, rental.  
Shaff: how long ago did you turn in the application?  
Chahoud: I want to show it to you. It is stamped as received. I talked to Hector I did it  
right away. June 12th or 18th, I can’t tell.  
Shaff: that doesn’t mean it will be in shortly.  
Chahoud: everything is done.  
Moermond: I see a June 8th date when it was assigned to fire Certificate of Occupancy  
and under investigation.  
Shaff: that was the referral. He’s talking about the provisional Certificate of Occupancy  
application that he applied for four days later. That is not processed yet by our call  
center, it can take a few weeks.  
Chahoud: she said in the next year they would have the Certificate of Occupancy  
Shaff: the provisional, which you would have applied for, let’s you rent it until you  
inspect it, which has in the past taken up to a year. You are sitting as a Vacant  
Building; it isn’t processed yet.  
Chahoud: that’s why I took a photo. [photo shown to Inspector Shaff] I did it in person.  
Shaff: yes, this is a provisional application.  
Moermond: I am going to recommend the City Council grant your appeal of the  
registered Vacant Building registration on the condition you have your Fire Certificate  
of Occupancy by August 1. You want them to process that application ASAP and  
schedule that inspection as quickly as possible so you have the affirmation that it is  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/12/2023  
Making Finding on Nuisance Abatements  
Making finding on the appealed nuisance abatement ordered for 1676  
NEVADA AVENUE EAST in Council File RLH SAO 22-55.  
Recommendation forthcoming.  
Follow up 6/20/23: confirming the Vacant Building Summary Abatement Order is active  
and they inadvertently charged Excessive Consumption bills not knowing it was under  
appeal when it was a Code Enforcement Summary Abatement Order. Vacant Building  
reversed those Excessive Consumption charges and are working off of the City  
Council’s decision.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 6/28/2023  
1:30 p.m. Hearings  
Orders To Vacate - Fire Certificate of Occupancy  
RLH VO 23-25  
Appeal of Amy Kennedy, on behalf of Sandra Kennedy, to a Fire  
Certificate of Occupancy Revocation Notice and Order to Vacate at 998  
Grant the appeal and release the property from the Fire C of O program. Orders to be  
transferred to Code Enforcement and reinspected.  
Amy Kennedy o/b/o owner Sandra Kennedy, appeared via phone  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Leanna Shaff: this is supposed to be a Fire Certificate of  
Occupancy inspection by Torrance Harriel. November 1, 2022 a no show, January 24,  
2023 a no show. March 30, 2023 no show. March 30 no answer at door. May 1, 2023  
correction orders. We have heard on June 2, 2023 about the appeal the property owner  
stated it is now owner occupied. As of Ramsey County today it shows that it isn’t been  
updated and shows the owner is Sandra L Kennedy on Sherburne Ave, unit 205.  
Moermond: Ms. Kennedy, what is the situation with the owner-occupancy? Is it you?  
Ms. Sandra Kennedy?  
Kennedy: my mother is now living with me. It has been homesteaded and is now out of  
rental and noted as owner-occupied. She had a stroke 2 months ago. I’ve got fire  
alarms and carbons up. We’re redoing the whole inside; I just have to repaint. He  
hasn’t come through and seen I’ve complied with his list. I’ve been working on my  
house for 7 months. I just had a bunch of stuff out of my house hauled away by a  
company. My yard is now all cleaned up. The inside has a fire extinguisher. I have  
trash out of the house. I’ve been working very hard. I just have some carpet and wall  
scrubbing and painting. I do it as I can, but I have to take care of my mother. Sandra  
Kennedy does live here. It is homesteaded. I talked to the City and it is out rental and  
is owner-occupied. I’ve been doing everything I’ve been supposed to be doing as far as  
I know. The appeal was because my mother is now at 998 Virginia with me and my  
brother Michael. I have to take care of both of them. It is hard. I am busy 24/7, it is a  
lot. She does live here now.  
Moermond: Sandra Kennedy used to live there. Moved out for a while. Now she does  
live there again as well as you and your brother?  
Kennedy: no, she rented out the house for a number of years. It just got put into  
owner-occupancy since I am now taking care of her and had to move in with me and  
my brother. She did reside here; it is still in her name. I talked to the City homestead  
and they told me it was owner-occupation. It is no longer rental. Sandra Kennedy lives  
here. She is 84 years old and had a stroke 2 months ago. My brother was taking care  
of her but with the stroke and dementia she requires extra care. So, they both moved  
in. It is a blessing to take care of her. I’ve completely redone the inside of the house. I  
got up all the mouse feces before she moved in. The only things I am working on now  
are just scrubbing walls before I repaint each room so it is crisp. I am a stickler about  
that. I have more than enough carbon monoxide and fire alarms up. Torrance saw that  
last time he walked through. I was still in the process of cleaning things up. I wish they  
would note that, give me some credit for it. It is frustrating. Now my mom lives here I  
don’t feel there is any reason the City should have to come through.  
Moermond: Ms. Kennedy, take a breath here and pause. The first thing is I hear you  
saying “my house” and I appreciate you live there. The property is in your mother’s  
name listing her as the homesteader. You are telling me she lives there. I hear that  
feedback and trust that she is. Second, the issue of the kinds of orders issued by the  
Fire Inspector. Your mother would be out of the Fire Certificate of Occupancy program  
if she is owner-occupying it. We still have some habitability issues mentioned in the  
Fire Certificate of Occupancy orders that AN inspector needs to visit. That would be a  
Code Inspector. They would look at the big things on the list, the smoke detectors. It  
does mention an exterminator. Rodent and animal feces. We want to make sure that  
has been addressed. Sounds like you are on top of the cleaning. This will be referred  
and all cleared up and signed off on by a Code Enforcement person who specializes in  
owner-occupied housing. They will do that talk-through and give you some feedback  
and hopefully check off a large portion of the list. Because your mom is in a  
compromised state we want to make sure everyone is safe and healthy and close the  
file on that.  
Kenendy: I had them out here a few months ago. I don’t think I need another  
exterminator. I did clean up my mom and brother’s area. I’ve cleaned up so much. I am  
in the process with some.  
Moermond: the inspector wants to see you have a receipt from Orkin you have dealt  
with it and don’t have to do any follow up. Then they can close out that item.  
Kennedy: my sink upstairs I haven’t fixed. I have to have a plumber fix it. It will cost a  
lot of money. I will fix it soon but I can’t say when. It drives me nuts too. It needs a  
pipe and it leaks.  
Moermond: you would have a plumber do it, and he will know whether a permit is  
needed but regardless he will give you a receipt and providing that receipts from a  
licensed plumber to the inspector will show it is done. They may not have to come see  
it again.  
Kennedy: when would they want to come through again? Will they contact me?  
Moermond: yes, they will schedule that with you.  
Kennedy: my brother has cerebral palsy, if she was to fall he couldn’t pick her up.  
That’s where I come in.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/12/2023  
2:00 p.m. Hearings  
Fire Certificates of Occupancy  
Appeal of Jahanshir Zadmehran to a Fire Inspection Correction Notice at  
Deny the appeal noting the appeal was withdrawn by the appellant.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 7/19/2023