15 West Kellogg Blvd.  
Saint Paul, MN 55102  
City of Saint Paul  
Minutes - Final  
Legislative Hearings  
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer  
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator  
Joanna Zimny, Executive Assistant  
651-266-8585  
Tuesday, August 19, 2025  
9:00 AM  
Room 330 City Hall & Court House/Remote  
10:00 a.m. Hearings  
Special Tax Assessments  
1
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1654  
JUNO AVENUE. (File No. J2518R, Assessment No. 258534) (Refer to  
August 5, 2025 Legislative Hearing)  
Jost  
Sponsors:  
Layover to LH 9/16 at 10 am (needs follow up with PW).  
Moermond: we’re laying this over to September 16 because we haven’t got further  
follow up from Public Works on this one. We will give it a couple more weeks to get a  
response and review this again then.  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 9/16/2025  
Special Tax Assessments  
2
3
RLH AR 25-80  
Ratifying the assessment for Rubbish and Garbage Clean Up services  
during May 28 to June 6, 2025 (File No. J2526R, Assessment No.  
258570)  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Referred to the City Council due back on 10/1/2025  
RLH AR 25-81  
Ratifying the assessment for Tall Grass and Weed Removal services  
during June 2 to 9, 2025 (File No. J2513TW, Assessment No. 258571)  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Referred to the City Council due back on 10/1/2025  
11:00 a.m. Hearings  
Summary & Vehicle Abatement Orders  
4
Appeal of Jay Cherner to an Emergency Summary Abatement Order at  
1603 and 1605 UNIVERSITY AVENUE WEST.  
Privratsky  
Sponsors:  
Grant to September 1, 2025 for compliance.  
Mark Morrow, Union Park District Council Executive (UPDC) co-chair land use and  
economic development committee, appeared  
Jane McClure, the villager, observed  
Jay Cherner, owner, appeared via phone  
Leah Timberlake -Sullivan, Union Park District Council Executive (UPDC) Director,  
appeared  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Lisa Martin: an emergency Summary Abatement Order went  
out August 7, 2025 to Mr. Cherner specifically to remove, paint covered canvas from  
both sides of billboard, paint over all graffiti from all parts including billboard frames  
and equipment. Compliance date of August 12. Approximate estimated cost of $3,000  
- $5,000. Issued by  
Martin: chapter 45 nuisance abatement. Our parks crew hired someone to try and  
abate the issue, they did some black paint but it didn’t cover the entire area and didn’t  
take care of many of the issues. That’s why the emergency Summary Abatement  
Order was issued to address all areas including canvas billboard and frame.  
Moermond: so this is round 2. A normal Summary Abatement Order first.  
Martin: yes, and with the computers being down I can’t look at how long the issue has  
been going on.  
Cherner: this billboard issue started 4 years ago when it was vandalized by graffiti  
men. They were arrested and released. Since that time, I put a new billboard, covered  
what they did, then it happened again a month later. That was during the riots I believe.  
My entire building was vandalized and windows broken. I was trying to take care of as  
much as I could since my business was there. I made 100 phone calls to the police; it  
made no difference. I don’t know how to protect my property. I know I pay property tax,  
but I have no help. I also had homeless people issues that extended to drug use and  
so on. I was told there was nothing they could do. I try to do the best I can, but what is  
the purpose of replacing and penalizing if 5 months from now it will be the same thing?  
I need help from the police that this is not going to happen, and then I will take care of  
the problem.  
Moermond: what does that mean?  
Cherner: it is a waste of money and effort.  
Moermond: what are you looking for specifically today in your appeal?  
Cherner: for 3 years I wasn’t able to use my billboard due to the graffiti issues, then I  
was given the notice to fix in 3 days. It isn’t physically possible. The company I used to  
hire is no longer in business. I don’t know where to go at this point. That’s a secondary  
issue though, the primary issue is I have no protection. As soon as it is replaced it will  
be vandalized again.  
Moermond: I hear you want more time, I hear you feel kind of hopeless about the  
situation due to the repeated vandalism, and you also want the police to protect the  
billboards as opposed to fixing them repeatedly.  
Cherner: that’s correct. It is the same people doing it. One time they were caught and  
let go.  
Moermond: I can’t speak to that, I am not the criminal justice system.  
Cherner: I saw the orders from the City came and I saw them in the letter on the roofs,  
they told me they were going to cover it. I said no, remove the canvas. They insisted  
on painting the black over it.  
Morrow: this matter was brought to our attention July 21 when our Executive Director  
Leah brought the matter from Spruce Tree because they’ve been trying to have  
something done about the billboards and graffiti. I used Google Streetview when  
preparing the letter and it goes back 4 years. Looking at St. Paul’s sign ordinance, it  
does look to me that it could be considered an unsightly sign and quite possibly since  
it hasn’t changed for 4 years, an abandoned sign and the City’s instructions in those  
circumstances are to provide a 15 day notice for repair or removal. For abandoned  
signs notice it will be removed. Your neighbors, the DC, would like the signs removed.  
They aren’t contributing to the neighborhood. You have a several million-dollar loon  
looking right at your billboards. People visiting see both, it is a neighborhood quality  
issue. We’re trying to get that corner to come back and your billboards are a negative  
rather than a positive.  
Leah Timberlake-Sullivan: I office in the Spruce Tree Center. I’m here on behalf of  
them and the many champion businesses at Snelling and University. United Village,  
Hot Works, the bookstore. So many businesses acting as a team for the corridor. A  
corridor succeeds when you have heavy lifters pulling momentum up and declines when  
you have inactive bad faith operators. My concern is for the whole of the corridor. 4  
years later to negotiate how to remediate when all the neighbors also suffer graffiti. We  
can’t have this type of lag in the system. I agree there are areas for the City to  
improve, but I can’t condone the weight it puts on follow businesses to allow this to go  
on for 4 years. I know its difficult but the only way to move forward is to band together  
and hold standards together. They operate in good faith in the best of their capacity. It  
isn’t fair to the people trying to build a corridor to allow this to go on any further. It is an  
injustice to them. I regret to say, but I haven’t heard today anything that makes me  
think there’s a commitment to the area that things would be different in the future. I  
ask you to consider the area businesses putting in the work. They would like this  
removed.  
Moermond: as the District Council do you facilitate conversation around the area  
businesses and police, how can Mr. Cherner be part of that and benefit from his  
neighbors’ experience.  
Leah Timberlake-Sullivan: the police are coming tonight to speak about the  
neighborhood safe and strong initiative. UPDC will be launching surveys to the area  
businesses about their feeling about relationships with the City. Today we’re talking  
about the sign and it does need to be addressed. You can feel the sense of unfairness  
in the letter by Spruce Tree. We’re giving standards and under the rule system. What  
is going on here? This really gets down to if 4 years isn’t enough for the City to  
intervene, what is? Decisive response is what brings momentum to the project. This  
doesn’t appear to be a complicated situation. You have a champion of the corridor  
asking for relief. I want to bring that Spruce Tree voice forward, that’s why I’m here. I’d  
love to meet with Mr. Cherner, his experience is very important. He has some valid  
complaints. But what are we going to say, no one has to fix anything until it is easy? I  
can’t say that’s ok when I see what even small businesses in the area are doing. It is  
one of the easier things to deal with, in my view.  
Morrow: one advocate would be the Midway Chamber; we also hear your pain on what  
you’ve experienced. As a community org by ourselves weren’t able to get enough  
movement at Snelling and University, so we’ve combined with Hamline Midway and the  
Midway Chamber. We’re all putting efforts together to work on this intersection in  
particular. If I were you I would k nock on the door of Midway Chamber so they can  
advocate for you.  
Moermond: Ms. Martin, locations where we have people vandalizing or dumping and  
creating nuisance conditions, what kinds of advice does the City give?  
Martin: put up signage, motion-sensored lights, camera systems can all be helpful.  
Even fake cameras help.  
Cherner: I have signs, cameras, all of that.  
Moermond: good. Although I’m sympathetic of your position to some extent, but I also  
know if I live next to McDonalds and their wrappers blow in my yard, I’m responsible to  
clean it up. It is more serious than average in this case because this has been a  
long-standing problem. If a car is burning on the sidewalk and hull remains there for 2  
weeks that is something people can sustain and move forward from. It gets harder the  
more time that passes. Famously, the broken windows theory, still applies here. We’re  
talking about a visual symbol there is emotional and financial disinvestment in the  
area. I think that is what is trigging to the folks who ARE doing that investment into the  
area. I do take this seriously. Surely a Google search would help you find someone  
who can work on this for you. The Parks’ folks did appear to have some trouble doing  
an adequate job abating the nuisance. Is it something Department of Safety &  
Inspections would be looking into hiring an outside crew for this work now?  
Martin: correct.  
Moermond: first, I’m going to put this on Council’s agenda next Wednesday at 3:30. My  
recommendation is Council grant compliance to September 1 for compliance. After  
that Department of Safety & Inspections can pursue a contract to resolve the matter.  
In the event it is somehow cleaned up between the deadline and when the contractor is  
hired, it would become a nuisance abatement assessment. Again, the Council may  
look at this differently than I do. I do think this is important. You could alternatively  
come up with a proposal to remove the signs, but we really need the cleanup to happen  
pending a long-term decision.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 8/27/2025  
1:00 p.m. Hearings  
Vacant Building Registrations  
5
Appeal of Gladys Igbo to a Vacant Building Registration Fee Warning  
Letter at 385 UNIVERSITY AVENUE WEST. (To refer back to August 19,  
2025 Legislative Hearing)  
Bowie  
Sponsors:  
Layover to LH 9/9 at 1 pm to see if last warm-air permit is finaled. (STAMPS/Amanda  
system unavailable due to cyber security incident)  
Moermond: the mechanical permit has been finaled, which leaves one warm-air permit.  
Amanda continues to be down so it is hard to check on progress. We’ll lay this over to  
September 9 and hopefully we’ll have that permit finaled and can close at that time.  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 9/9/2025