15 West Kellogg Blvd.  
Saint Paul, MN 55102  
City of Saint Paul  
Minutes - Final  
Legislative Hearings  
Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer  
Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator  
Joanna Zimny, Executive Assistant  
651-266-8585  
Monday, November 10, 2025  
9:00 AM  
Room 330 City Hall & Court House/Remote  
9:00 a.m. Hearings  
Remove/Repair Orders  
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Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 1079  
ARKWRIGHT STREET within fifteen (15) days after the November 19,  
2025, City Council Public Hearing.  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Grant 180 days pending approved bids and work plan are submitted. Otherwise, PH  
continued to December 3, 2025.  
Glen Beske, owner, appeared  
Moermond: when we last spoke you hadn’t yet received the Code Compliance  
Inspection Report and it was almost completed and was emailed to you within a couple  
of days of the hearing. Have you been talking to contractors?  
Beske: I have been, electrical, plumbing, and waiting on a quote from the people who  
do mechanical and HVAC and a sheetrocking company. They are kind of taking their  
time. I do have MSP’s bid here.  
Moermond: what are you thinking on cost?  
Beske: $350,000 - $350,000.  
Moermond: general building?  
Beske: yeah, and I can do some of it myself.  
Moermond: did we talk about financing last time?  
Beske: yes, I have an affidavit and accounts.  
Moermond: are you drawing on your pension now?  
Beske: no.  
Moermond: Ms. Vang can we add these and get them redacted? Will you be able to  
get me all the bids and a schedule by next week?  
Beske: if they get back to me that fast. I’m just waiting on them.  
Moermond: then you’re done with us and in the business of pulling permits. This is on  
the Council agenda November 19th, if you’re not quite ready I can ask them to  
continue it to December 3rd. If between those dates you get all the materials in and  
approved, we’ll greenlight permits before the Council vote. This is looking really good  
for this early in. The Council wants to get the rehab underway, and you’re almost there.  
That’s just a matter of confirming with Department of Safety & Inspections.  
Humphrey: he had dropped off his Performance Deposit but we couldn’t’ accept  
payment for the Code Compliance Inspection due to the cyber attack. I fixed that  
glitch and called Mr. Beske, and he came in the same day and paid it.  
Moermond: as far as I’m concerned you’re in good shape. A couple stray pieces. Let’s  
aim for next Wednesday, if we can’t hit that I’ll ask Council to give you two more  
weeks. In the meantime if you get it in to Joanna and she will send it to who needs to  
see it.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 11/19/2025  
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Ordering the rehabilitation or razing and removal of the structures at 430  
DALE STREET NORTH within fifteen (15) days after the October 22,  
2025, City Council Public Hearing. (Amend to remove within 15 days)  
Bowie  
Sponsors:  
Remove the building within 15 days with no option for repair.  
Mark Dooley, attorney o/b/o Tawhid Islamic Center, appeared  
Anita Alexander, o/b/o Camphor Memorial United Methodist Church, appeared  
Tia Williams, o/b/o Frogtown Neighborhood Association, appeared  
Caty Royce, o/b/o Frogtown Neighborhood Association, appeared  
Mychael Wright, community member, appeared  
Rev. Carl Walker, Walker West Music Academy and community member, appeared  
Danielle Swift, Frogtown Neighborhood Association, attended but did not speak  
Dooley: I sent the notice to them and haven’t had any contact with them. I can tell you  
that the Court case holding up the funds was settled. We just have to sign the  
agreement.  
Moermond: any nuisances?  
Supervisor Robert Humphrey: minor issues but I believe they were resolved, but not  
yet received the Code Compliance Inspection application or Performance Deposit.  
Moermond: the main message when I spoke to your clients was there was protracted  
litigation with the insurance company about the damage and therefore funds weren’t  
available. We don’t have any bids or inspection report to make a determination about  
how much this will cost to fix. Maybe it is something you have. That’s the number we  
base the amount of money needed on. Also, when I spoke with them they didn’t seem  
to have an end in sight for getting money or knowing it would be a sufficient amount. I  
also heard from them they knew they needed to do some band aid work to get the  
building habitable again or use but the ultimate plan was the redevelopment of site to  
make it a multiuse location.  
Dooley: that’s my understanding. They’ve moved to a separate building but would like  
to retain this building for use for their use. It is a confidential settlement amount, but it  
will be enough to rehab the building. It is agreed to in principle we just need to sign it  
and then payment will be coming immediately.  
Moermond: one of the reasons this is in front of me is because this building has been  
neglected. A fire damaged commercial structure is one of the worst things a  
neighborhood can have. It is a visual trigger than increases crimes against persons. It  
shows manifest disinvestment from the area. That puts pressure on me and the lack  
of maintenance they’ve done gives me less confidence than I might otherwise have of  
the owner’s ability to execute in a timely fashion. From what I’ve seen there’s been  
trouble getting lawn mowed and walk shoveled and the City or the neighboring church  
has been taking care of it. I wonder what ability they have to execute this quickly and  
efficiently.  
Dooley: I hear your concerns. The Center has been frustrated with the state of the  
building as well. The rehab costs have gone up and up as it has deteriorated and  
unhoused people have deteriorated it more. I had hoped the board would be here. I do  
recognize the burned-out building makes it an undesirable place to live and they need  
to come with direct answers not only for you but also the neighborhood at large.  
Mychael Wright: lifelong resident of Aurora St. Anthony. I used to live right down the  
block from here. Over the years I’ve noticed and want to reiterate the “blightedness”  
and it being unkept and knowing Diane and Camphor have been taking care of  
keeping it up. It has become a blight and depressing value of the homes nearby. We’d  
like to see something done as soon as possible. It has been like this a long time, I  
know I don’t have to tell you that. Myself and Reverend Walker would like to see it  
resolved in a timely manner.  
Reverend Carl Walker: I am a lifelong resident of Central Village and also co-founded  
Walker West Music Academy. I live right there and pass by quite often. It is a bad  
thing to happen to a community like ours where we see buildings like this. Our friends  
at Camphor have had to go through a lot. When I come to Dale and University and see  
this empty building and it is very unkempt. I would like to see something done quickly.  
It would be good to see something happen so we don’t have to have this situation in  
our community. Central Village tried hard to make it habitable for the community and  
the park is right there too. It is important we keep that area up, just as we should in all  
areas of St. Paul.  
Caty Royce: I work for Frogtown Neighborhood Association, our office is kitty-corner  
from this. We met with Mr. Doyo about a month and a half ago and he was clear with  
us they weren’t interested in redeveloping. They were in the midst of this insurance  
tussle and thought, probably correctly, keeping the building there was important for  
that discussion. My sense is that they aren’t interested in redeveloping. Different than  
what I’m hearing now. The extent of neglect has been ridiculous. I called and sent  
emails to the general information with pictures of the unhoused folks, the mattresses  
there, it wasn’t until Department of Safety & Inspections stepped up that things got  
looking a bit better. They did a massive lawn mowing and cleaned up the parking lot.  
The sense of neglect is pretty serious. It is a serious problem that they have had  
enough time to deal with, in my opinion.  
Moermond: tell me more about the nature of the nuisances. The City has obviously  
written orders, but because Camphor has done work and others as well. What is the  
nature of the problems?  
Royce: the weekend after the enforcement at Wendy’s, they moved up to the building.  
There was an unbelievable amount of garbage. Needles. We’ve been feeding folks  
through Feeding Frogtown and picking up garbage and there was a healthy number of  
needles. We’ve seen people using there. The library is also right there.  
Anita Alexander: a month ago we partnered with the St. Paul Police Department and  
did a neighborhood cleanup and picked up a ton of needles and foil and it is a lot.  
Moermond: you’re out there picking up needles. What kinds of precautions do people  
take?  
Alexander: we put on heavy work gloves and put them into a plastic tub and throw them  
away. It is constant. It hasn’t been lately because once the fair ended the police  
committed to doing more founds and they’ve put up the drone and can pick up more of  
the dealers since they can see the plates. It has lightened in the last month, but there  
was an inordinate amount of trash and again, we pick up all the time, it is tiring. There  
is no way of doing any porta potties because the City can only empty once a week  
because there’s 40 people a day using it. I had the police at our church and looking  
out the top window so they could see the roof of the building of 430 Dale. They can live  
up there and no one knows. They saw people compromise the fencing around the lot  
and go in and go to the bathroom. In general we don’t pick up human waste. There’s  
enough work without that. The thought that his could be even postponed longer. They  
haven’t even ordered the Code Compliance Inspection Report or posted the good faith  
deposit. I’m disappointed we are here again. How long do we have to continue doing  
this? We aren’t going to let this be trashed.  
Moermond: Ms. Royce, Ms. Alexander, you are both immediate neighbors. Foot traffic  
involving Camphor and the Library both with community uses with children in and out.  
Describe to me the movement and the impact that has.  
Alexander: with the green line stop there are lots of people in and around and the  
Northeast corner of Unidale Mall, then they migrate across the street. They hang out a  
lot in front of the library. Easily we could take photos every day of 6-12 people camped  
out. They cross back and forth. I have friends who will not visit the library because the  
don’t feel safe.  
Wright: it has gotten so bad the library had to alter its hours and temporarily moving so  
they can redo the front to be more secure and a bathroom away from the front door.  
Alexander: they’ll be at Hallie Q for many months and solely due to the unhoused and  
the sense you can do whatever you want because it hasn’t been kept up. Right around  
the corner you have Head Start and the other corner is another daycare center. It isn’t  
working. Picking up trash every week? I don’t like doing that. We thought we’d be  
doing it just a little while, now it has been more than year.  
Royce: the housing above the library has been a lot of active drug use in the hallways.  
They’ve not done a good job of managing it through the fentanyl crisis. A lot of serious  
activity, the entrance is right around the corner of the library.  
Alexander: it would be good to get a year of police reports for the library. The  
HeadStart and library had to hire extra security.  
Moermond: Ms. Vang, this became a Vacant Building May 17th 2023. Let’s get a  
police call log attached to the record from January 1, 2022 to present. Then we can  
see if there’s an ark in comparison to the fire.  
Tia Williams: I’m also with Frogtown Neighborhood Association. There local  
restaurants have shut their doors and require people to come around to the back to  
enter because of the unhoused.  
Moermond: I’m sure you’ve reviewed the record before today so I’m sure you were  
aware of a lot of this.  
Dooley: I have. I appreciate the statements of how immediate of a concern this is and  
it needs to be abated immediately.  
Moermond: abatement means either bringing it up to code or removal. I haven’t seen  
the good faith requirements of the Code Compliance Inspection application or posting  
of Performance Deposit. Those are required before pulling together the other pieces.  
The Center has taken no accountability in terms of coming up with the $5,700  
combined for those. That shows they are in the game and want to get started. They’ve  
been absent. The order to abate a nuisance building went out June 25, 2025 and that  
would have stated that Code Compliance Inspection Report requirement. Then when it  
was declared a Nuisance building would have noticed the Performance Deposit  
requirement. That doesn’t give me faith any more than them not showing up for the  
hearing today. They said orders were going to the wrong place, but it was demonstrated  
they weren’t. We have a religious institution not being above board, which is kind of  
heartbreaking. We have a religious institution tearing a neighborhood down through  
their inaction.  
Right now, I would say the case needs to be made to the Council to get a grant of  
time. I mentioned to the folks from the center last time we spoke that this insurance  
settlement may be a check rather than rehab money. Perhaps that’s what they want, I  
don’t know. I don’t believe right now they are serious about rehabbing the building. If  
the building is demolished, that cost becomes an assessment onto the property taxes.  
We can’t hang a proverbial price tag on children stepping on needles or human feces.  
This is the third time I’ve gathered to make sure the Center had opportunity to speak  
to the plans, show up, I am disappointed. It sounds like you are too. this is scheduled  
to go to Council next Wednesday. I will be recommending the Council order it removed  
within 15 days with no option to repair. They’re under no obligation to follow that  
recommendation. You are the best judge of what makes the right case for your clients  
if they want to make a case for rehabbing the building. If it is ordered removed, within  
15 days of the vote Department of Safety & Inspections would get the file and initiate  
proceedings.  
Humphrey: once the Council votes, we put it out for bid for demolition of the structure.  
We assess those costs to the property, if unpaid it goes to assessment onto the  
property.  
Moermond: I’ll be asking for an updated nuisance list before that meeting as well, in  
the last week.  
Dooley: I’ll relay to my client they need to stop ignoring the problem and deal with it  
very quickly.  
Moermond: they want to fix it they will have to convince the Council. I’m thinking that’s  
a steep hill at this point.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 11/19/2025  
Making Finding on Nuisance Abatements  
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Third Making finding on the appealed substantial abatement ordered for  
594 BRUNSON AVENUE in Council File RLH RR 25-8.  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Nuisance is abated and matter resolved.  
No one appeared  
Moermond: per Mr. Hoffman, this has been abated.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 11/19/2025  
10:00 a.m. Hearings  
Special Tax Assessments  
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RLH TA 25-423  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 677  
CALIFORNIA AVENUE EAST. (File No. VB2512A, Assessment No.  
255834)  
Kim  
Sponsors:  
Refer back to LH January 27, 2026 at 10 am.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/14/2026  
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RLH TA 25-421  
Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1846  
MONTREAL AVENUE. (File No. VB2601, Assessment No. 268900)  
Jost  
Sponsors:  
Refer back to March 31, 2026 @10am.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 1/14/2026  
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Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 643  
SIMS AVENUE. (File No. J2513B1, Assessment No. 258119)  
Yang  
Sponsors:  
Layover to March 10, 2026 @ 10am  
Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 3/10/2026  
11:00 a.m. Hearings  
Orders To Vacate - Code Enforcement  
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Appeal of Paris Getty to a Notice of Condemnation as Unfit for Human  
Habitation and Order to Vacate and a Summary Abatement Order at 855  
THIRD STREET EAST.  
Johnson  
Sponsors:  
Grant to December 22, 2025 to have electrical permit pulled and rough in inspection  
done and the gas line capped or repaired pending confirmation by Inspector that illegal  
sleeping rooms have been removed and smoke and carbons have been installed as  
needed. Grant to April 1, 2025 for balance of the orders.  
Grant to December 1, 2025 for compliance with Summary Abatement Order.  
Paris Getty, owner, appeared  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Supervisor Richard Kedrowski: October 28, issued for condemnation  
and order to vacate. Posted on October 28 and ordered vacated no later than  
November 5, 2025.  
Moermond: what conditions made it unsafe for human habitation?  
Kedrowski: it is classified as a single-family home but there is basement occupancy,  
first floor occupancy with full kitchen, as well as a garage occupancy. Multiple  
violations throughout.  
Getty: the garage was not occupied. There was a person on my property that was in the  
garage and fell asleep. That was explained to the Inspector. He gave the person asleep  
there 5 minutes to vacate and told him never to come back and boarded the garage  
the following day. I thought that was a bit extreme. It hadn’t ever been slept in before  
except during Covid I routinely called the St. Paul Police Department and told them it  
was being occupied and they refused to remove the person. It has never been  
occupied other than during Covid and the person in the garage had fallen asleep after  
working all night. For the inspector to take such an extreme position with 5 minutes to  
vacate and boarding the garage the next day, he is yet to retrieve his clothes and  
heater he had in the garage. The house itself I have been in the process of remodeling  
it because of the loss of my leg I haven’t been able to finish.  
If you read about the extension cords he required them all to be removed from the  
property. They aren’t frayed and all had fuses on them. I don’t know the reason for that.  
He also cited the upstairs sleeping rooms, which I rent out. There is a kitchen. This  
was there when I purchased the property. My intent is to go to the permit division and  
ask again for a permit to convert to a duplex. I will do that after this hearing. He said all  
sleeping rooms must have exit from a window. All rooms have windows. There was one  
tenant that had AC in the window. For the inspector to cite that all sleeping rooms  
must have functional windows I don’t understand. He shouldn’t make a blanket  
statement like that.  
As far as unsafe or condemnable, all issues have been taken care of. In the  
basement there was a dryer that came with the house, he claims it was plugged in—I  
can’t go in the basement—I’ve removed the dryer completely. I’ve removed the  
mattress. Those are resolved. As far as the gas goes, I had an emergency where I was  
taken by ambulance and the St. Paul Fire Department said there was a gas leak to  
the stove. I have an air fryer and other means of cooking other than the stove. I’m fine  
with the gas being shut off to the stove. I shouldn’t be required to repair the gas line to  
the stove. I don’t think there’s any ordinance requiring a home to have a stove or cook  
top, especially with modern appliances like air fryers.  
He said there are uncompleted walls. There is a small area and it is my intent to  
demolish that area, with permit, to convert to a duplex. I did take out a permit to do  
that and unfortunately the City’s records---  
Moermond: when we talked in 2022 you said you were doing it then and that nothing  
had happened We talked about whether or not it was a rooming house. You were  
saying it was a harm reduction facility and had 3 rooms upstairs with individual locks.  
The determination was 4 people lived there including yourself, which means it was fine  
that there was under 6 people. Let me just say I don’t believe you about someone not  
living there in the garage. The photos look like someone is settled in the garage. The  
main thing is they aren’t in the garage now. Getting the sleeping materials out is also  
key. The basement I again see someone obviously—  
Getty: no ma’am.  
Moermond: I don’t believe you. I have seen enough in my years sitting here that I  
know.  
Getty: the mattress has been removed.  
Moermond: was it used for sleeping?  
Getty: no  
Moermond: I don’t believe you. You allowed it to be unsafe. I see extension cords. I  
see open walls. Wires exposed. I see a fan, I dresser with things on top, I see police in  
the kitchen, open ceilings. When I look at that I see wires running through not  
encased by the walls or appropriate hardware.  
Getty: that’s in the kitchen.  
Moermond: and that’s not ok. I’m really struggling. This isn’t the first time we’ve talked  
about this. We’ve had access issues to get to the second floor.  
Kedrowski: the egress issues had to do with blocked travel or blocked windows. You  
have to have unobstructed access to the windows.  
Moermond: I see no issue with the phrasing of window vs. windows.  
Getty: the basement is unfinished. You don’t have to have that finished.  
Moermond: if you have exposed wiring.  
Getty: the wiring is not hooked up in the basement.  
Moermond: you just have wires running not hooked up?  
Getty: my bedroom has a wall that isn’t finished and not hooked up and there are wires  
through it. There’s a control panel designed to allow me to have access to switches  
and they aren’t hooked up. I’m going to go to the permit department and pull permits  
following this hearing.  
Moermond: what permits?  
Getty: to convert properly to a duplex.  
Moermond: for our purposes today, it doesn’t matter to me about whether you are using  
it with the 3 rooms renting upstairs or not. You are allowed to have two kitchens, this  
space be used in the fashion you are. That isn’t the issue.  
Getty: why did he cite me about the kitchen upstairs?  
Moermond: was it installed without permit? I believe that was the issue.  
Getty: I did take a permit out to complete the kitchen when I purchased.  
Moermond: there was an outstanding electrical permit at that time in 2022.  
Getty :permits were taken out in 2017 to add the back stairway.  
Moermond: Nathan Bruhn was the building inspector in 2017 and indicated there was a  
lot of work still to close the permit and it doesn’t appear it was ever closed. There may  
be a permit out there but it was never completed under permit. That’s a problem. You’d  
need a new permit regardless.  
Getty: I understand that. If I’m permitted two kitchen in the house—  
Moermond: the issue isn’t two kitchens. It is whether it is being used as single-family  
home or a duplex and fire separations.  
Getty: if I’m not using this as a duplex can I shut off the internal staircase that allows  
the tenants to use the back stair case.  
Moermond: each person must have two ways egress. One can be through interior and  
the other has to be directly to exterior. They have to be different so fire can’t block  
both exits simultaneously.  
Kedrowski: if you close of the interior stairway it would be defined as a duplex. That  
would change the dynamics.  
Getty: I hired a contractor that was apparently not licensed and he advised me it was  
ok to close off that interior stairway. He’d told me he took out permits.  
Moermond: as the homeowner you’re responsible.  
Getty: I relied on this person who deceived me. I thought going to a duplex would be  
simpler.  
Moermond: that’s up to you. It has to be done under permit and has to meet the  
building, zoning, and fire codes applicable. Closing off the interior staircase may or  
may not be possible. That is something examined when you’re pulling permits to do the  
changes. Last time you were seeking grant money and it appears you didn’t get it.  
You need to comply with the orders as written. Again, two means of egress.  
Getty: one being the window?  
Kedrowski: no, both stairways are needed. If you are going to be "duplexing" the  
property by having the interior stairway removed it can be a window with a secondary  
staircase in the rear of the property.  
Getty: I did submit a diagram with one of the permits shortly after or before the last  
appeal.  
Moermond: they would want all new information. It is 3 years later. It is money  
dependent. You still don’t have grants.  
Getty: the basement had egress windows and they were broken by a tenant who is now  
under criminal complant. When that happened I didn’t allow anyone to sleep in the  
basement. Prior to that there were 2 egress windows installed and it was legal. The  
mattress was down there but no one slept on it. I have taken the mattress out.  
Moermond: that tells me you are in compliance now. I don’t believe you were in  
compliance at the time but we aren’t going to circle and arguing about that.  
Extension cords. This extension cord is cited under nuisance code, not fire code,  
which I believe is incorrect.  
Kedrowski: yes, it should just deal with use of. It should be updated.  
Getty: are any use of extension cords permissible?  
Moermond: for a temporary use, yes.  
Getty: what about extension cords with fuses. A power strip?  
Kedrowski: that’s allowable as long as it isn’t plugged into another extension cord.  
Getty: I believe that’s what they all are.  
Moermond: and I’m concerned about the extension cord use.  
Getty: I will remove any extension cords that are not power strip.  
Moermond: missing walls throughout. There does need to be a proper fire barrier  
between spaces in house. Particularly between basement and utilities.  
Kedrowski: you don’t need that in a single-family home, but you do in a duplex. Any  
sleeping area should also not include those utilities.  
Getty: there is no sleeping occurring presently in the basement.  
Moermond: there should be none. We would definitely need a proper egress window for  
ti to be installed and used as a sleeping space.  
Getty: I will order them. It takes about 2 weeks to get. I believe it isn’t an issue since  
the mattress is removed.  
Moermond: no, then it’s an only issue of having a broken window in need of repair. We  
have a smoke detector problem  
Getty: that’s all been resolved, I put in 4 combination smoke and carbon detectors.  
One on each floor, including the attic.  
Moermond: last thing is the stove and the gas leak. You aren’t required to have a  
stove. You had a leak and is turned off at a valve that is intended for temporary shut  
off. It isn’t intended to permanently turn off the gas. I need that line to be capped so  
we ensure there’s not a future leak.  
Getty: there’s a flexible metal connection and that’s where the leak is. I’m intending to  
resolve that with a permit and someone will come to repair it.  
Moermond: I’m going to put a deadline in place in which it needs to be repaired under  
permit or capped so it is permanently closed off.  
Kedrowski: to remove the faulty appliance. If it is there it should be hooked up  
properly. The stove needs to be functional or removed.  
Moermond: so you have some decisions to make. My immediate concern is around  
repairing or capping the gas line.  
Kedrowski: there is one wall with an awful lot of electrical boxes roughed in. Nothing is  
hooked up, the permit being that old is expired and the new wiring needs to be  
inspected and the wall closed in to cover those boxes.  
Getty: those aren’t hooked up.  
Moermond: even installing to rough them in needed a permit. Nothing was signed off  
on.  
Getty: My electrician, Fred Klapp, died.  
Moermond: you’ll need a new permit.  
Kedrowski: keep it open so the new electrician can see what the old one did. Don’t  
cover that over right now.  
Moermond: we have a note in here about ceilings and walls, and I see what is a think a  
basement ceiling and it has spray foam insulation?  
Kedrowski: it isn’t even spray foam, it is foam rubber. Very flammable. It should be  
removed entirely.  
Getty: where is that?  
Moermond: ceiling in the basement, room with wood paneling on the walls, a framed  
out door and it is in the rafters. That’s in the packet of photos we gave you.  
Kedrowski: there’s another photo where you can see spray foam in there draping  
almost like fabric.  
Moermond: there’s an area sprayed in and an area with draped foam rubber.  
Getty: that’s in the kitchen. That’s sound “continuation”. I occupy the first floor  
because it has a ramp; I can’t go anywhere else in the house.  
Moermond: Mr. Kedrowski, could you forward the correct citation for the extension  
cords and language to Ms. Zimny so it can be included in the letter sent out.  
Getty: I will remove any extension cords, but you are saying the power strips are  
allowable?  
Kedrowski: yes, as long as they’re plugged directly into the wall and not “daisy-chained”  
together.  
Getty: I’m only looking for an extension to do the work. I just don’t want anything  
condemned.  
Moermond: understandable. How many people live there now?  
Getty: 3. None the same as 2022. Sharing kitchen and bathroom and the area the  
stairway used to go into. Have individual locks on the doors.  
Moermond: with the zoning piece, you are to be in compliance with zoning, egress and  
fire requirements for single-family home. Until you have permission from zoning, the  
interior stairwell must be accessible.  
Getty: that’s considering the back stairs?  
Kedrowski: yes, because if the internal stairway is blocked you’re creating two distinct  
units, which you aren’t allowed to have.  
Moermond: there’s also an expectation if stairs are there that they are usable. People  
are delayed in getting out if they’re blocked or locked. There would be an expectation  
of getting in and out both ways.  
So that needs to be working until you get an inspector in. I’ll leave that to them.  
The walls and ceiling need to be closed, but ai assume you want to complete the  
electrical work before closing?  
Getty: yes.  
Moermond: so you need a permit. That will take longer then.  
Kedrowski: once the rough in is verified by inspector they can close walls.  
Moermond: we can include that information in our letter. You can pull the permit as a  
homeowner if you’re doing the work yourself.  
Out of all of this my top priority was having the basement and garage empty for  
sleeping use.  
Getty: do I have permission to remove the boarding on the garage so he can remove  
his belongings?  
Moermond: it is your house. You can remove and replace boards, but it needs to be  
secured from people going in and sleeping.  
Getty: I do have an income issue, I would appreciate a number of days past the first of  
next month.  
Moermond: I understand. Getting the most important things done will buy you time,  
which is the sleeping room and smoke and carbons. Deadlines for gas and electric:  
let’s have gas line capped or stove functioning by December 22.  
Getty: I have surgery scheduled for November 28th.  
Moermond: either you or an electrical contractor must have a permit pulled and rough  
in inspection done and the gas line capped or repaired. Wrapping up the remaining  
items April 1, 2026.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 11/19/2025  
2:00 p.m. Hearings  
Fire Certificates of Occupancy  
8
RLH FCO  
25-69  
Appeal of Ronald Staeheli to a Fire Inspection Report at 358 ARBOR  
STREET.  
Noecker  
Sponsors:  
Grant to December 22, 2025 for items all items except for the item related to painting  
exterior, grant to May 1, 2026.  
Ron Staeheli, owner, appeared via phone  
[Moermond gives background of appeals process]  
Staff report by Fire Inspector Keith Demarest: a two-unit duplex, upper and lower.  
October 22, 2025 our office responded to a Certificate of Occupancy renewal. I did an  
inspection October 22. The following discrepancies were noted: peeling and chipping  
paint on exterior, holes in eaves filled with spray foam, golf ball sized hole in the siding  
with bird nesting debris protruding from it, broken glass pane on rear second floor,  
heavy contents and trash throughout which is both a safety and sanitation risk,  
remnants of cat urine or feces on floors throughout lower unit, infestation of flying  
insects in lower unit, interior window sills showing signs of chipping and flaking paint,  
tear or crack on living room ceiling in upper unit and a missing combination smoke/CO  
detector in the upper level bedroom.  
Moermond: Mr. Staeheli, let’s walk through these. First is peeling, chipping paint to be  
eliminated and surfaces repainted throughout and around the entire exterior.  
Staeheli: I sent two photos of the house from the sidewalk for the record. It isn’t a  
house that needs painting. He’s basically saying repaint the entire house, which, first  
of all, there’s no way to do that in the month he gave me, and second of all I don’t think  
it needs it. I also don’t think there’s any inherent problem with spray foam in holes in  
the house and the hole in the siding was an insulation hole we left open for 40 years  
because we like the Martens that nest in there because they get the mosquitoes. That  
hole has been there for 40 years as a bird house as part of the house. Also, it is much  
too vague of an order. It has a few places on trim that have been painted already. I’m  
curious why spray foam in particular is a problem because it hasn’t been previously.  
The orders were vague and reads like the whole house needs to be repainted. I look at  
houses for a living. There are some houses that need to be repainted but just the  
entire house paint peeling? You may find a flake of paint missing on every surface but  
it doesn’t rise to the—nothing’s rotting or falling off.  
Moermond: you don’t know where the inspector was referencing needed to be painted?  
Staeheli: no, he did send me some pictures and I sent them to my handy-people  
before I called, and all of the white stuff has been painted, but I can’t match the green  
and I’m going to change to blue in the spring anyway. I don’t know if he wants the  
entire building painted.  
Moermond: were you present at the inspection Mr. Staeheli?  
Staeheli: I was not.  
Moermond: did you have someone present?  
Staeheli: yes.  
Moermond: did that person tell you what the inspector said?  
Staeheli: yeah he didn’t say anything to him. Didn’t communicate with him at all.  
Moermond: so the inspector walked around the entire house and didn’t say anything to  
your property manager type person?  
Staeheli: right. I think it was my son, if I remember correctly. But no, he didn’t say  
anything. Like I said, I asked for photos and I did get them and have every area in the  
photos painted. The white was all done in those photos. I just want it to be much  
clearer or we can go back and forth on this six times.  
Moermond: well, we’ve been back and forth on this house many times.  
Staeheli: yeah, I know.  
Moermond: Mr. Demarest, we have painting and spray foam. Can you speak to the  
locations? I’ve never seen an order requiring an entire structure be repainted, rather  
any deteriorated areas need it. Is that the case here?  
Demarest: I’d agree. The first one was worded “around entire house” was that there  
were issues around the perimeter on all four sides. Instead of pointing out every square  
foot I instead said that since there were obvious issues around the entire house. I  
rebut what Mr. Staeheli said earlier about lack of communication. I did speak with all  
the people on site at the property. I’d need to do so to have permission to get in.  
During my reinspection on the 21st I can definitely go into specifics to clear up the first  
violation.  
Moermond: would it suffice if they are simply revised to indicate instead of “around  
entire house” to “surfaces where chipped and peeling paint are present.” Then we can  
eliminate that and it is enough to clarify. With respect to the spray foam, what are you  
concerns?  
Demarest: I’m a building official limited as well. That yellow spray foam commonly  
used is extremely flammable both in finished and foam form. It isn’t an approved way  
to fill holes. It would need to be wood on wood to make a solid surface. Where it is  
currently used on the exterior on filling holes in wood, it isn’t made for that.  
Moermond: so it could be there bu you would still need flashing covering that area?  
Demarest: yes.  
Staeheli: it is the exterior of the house and you are talking about flammability? The  
house is made of wood. The foam isn’t more flammable than the wood surrounding it.  
Moermond: it burns must faster and at lower temperatures.  
Staeheli: it is smaller than a baseball. You’re saying it is a fire hazard on the outside  
of the house? To have painted foam insulation? Is that his position?  
Moermond: you aren’t arguing that, you’re arguing the amount. That it should be  
measured by volume? Is that what you’re going for? Please expand on your argument.  
Staeheli: I don’t have an argument; I’m asking what the argument is that it needs to be  
removed. Actually, I don’t even know, does it need to be removed or painted? What is  
he asking me to do?  
Moermond: it isn’t an acceptable material to seal a hole with. You need something to  
cover and seal the hole properly as it isn’t a finishing material. Mr. Demarest?  
Demarest: I agree.  
Moermond: this sounds like a small fix.  
Staeheli: first of all whether or not he talked to anyone I don’t know. The people I  
talked to while he was there said they didn’t say anything to them. That’s all I can  
report. Second of all, the foam insulation portion, I disagree that there’s any code that  
could be cited---I’d like to read that citation that says spray foam insulation isn’t  
acceptable to repair holes in exterior siding. I’d like to *SEE* that code. Fire hazard,  
needs to be removed.  
Moermond: that isn’t actually what he said. What you’re looking for is confirmation from  
the building code that spray foam is not actually a building material, am I  
understanding you correctly?  
Staeheli: yeah.  
Moermond: the broken window on the second floor seems straightforward.  
Staeheli: yeah we’re not going to replace the glass, the broken part will be gone; it  
already is I think.  
Moermond: the lower unit has heavy content, including trash and cat feces. Have you  
talked to your tenant about that?  
Staeheli: yeah. First of all, if it rises to the problem of a healthy safety violation then  
they need to talk to her about her housekeeping. I don’t think it rises to that level. She  
has a lot of storage. She’d rather have stacks of boxes than a dining room table. I  
don’t actually know---how much can she store in her house. She can move. There’s  
access to the toilet and bathroom and cooking and cleaning. Egress for fire. To what  
degree do we need boxes remove and to what standard?  
Moermond: are you asking what volume a room can be filled before it’s considered  
heavy content?  
Staeheli: first of all, I don’t see any place in the code that denies the ability to have  
heavy content. I would also go on to say let’s define heavy content.  
Moermond: with respect to the unsanitary component, you’re saying that should be  
called into the health department?  
Staeheli: I’m saying it isn’t unsanitary. I want to know where heavy content becomes a  
problem. I could understand if it was an egress or sanitary issue or every room was  
completely inaccessible. When do dishes piled up become a problem? There are  
pictures and it is just unsanitary. That’s incredibly vague.  
Moermond: we have cat poop on the floor. Insects flying around.  
Staeheli: what kind of insects?  
Moermond: you said fruit flies Mr. Demarest?  
Demarest: I couldn’t tell what they were, just flying insects. Smaller than a house fly.  
Moermond: Mr. Staeheli, you are saying you as the property owner aren’t responsible  
for the sanitation of the unit?  
Staeheli: no, I’m responsible to provide garbage facilities, to provide water and hot  
water, toilet, bathtub, sink. I can’t control whether or not they’ve done their dishes when  
the inspector comes and for them to call sanitation on that house was, again,  
amazingly vague and also we can’t control it.  
Moermond: that’s a private contractual issue; it is your house when it comes down to it.  
You have said they can live there, are there not provisions in your lease that cover  
maintaining the property?  
Staeheli: of course. I don’t think it was in violation. The photos I saw had dishes  
stacked up and more storage in the place than he liked. I didn’t even see a photo of  
the cat box problem.  
Moermond: it sounds like it wasn’t in a box, it was on the floors.  
Staeheli: there’s four boxes in that room and they may have tracked it in and out there  
wasn’t any on the floor.  
Moermond: Mr. Demarest, tell me more about the cat poop?  
Demarest: there was what appeared to be a bedroom with four or five cat litter boxes,  
the majority of the floor appeared to have what appeared to be dry spots from where  
urine or feces had previously been. Circular stains on floor left behind.  
Staeheli: what’s the solution for that? If at some point the cat misses the box, what is  
he asking to be done as a result?  
Moermond: I think it is to clean.  
Staeheli: he said it was clean just stained from before.  
Moermond: I was hearing the bulk had been removed and stains were there. Mr.  
Demarest, is this a question of bacteria?  
Demarest: the floor was not clean. From my training and experience there were piles of  
urine and/or feces on the floor where the circles were left behind from. The piles of  
feces were removed but it all remains where it was touching the floor. The floor is not  
clean.  
Staeheli: so the feces was removed, but not to your standards? That’s what you’re  
saying?  
Moermond: I hear it was picked up but there was still poop on the floor from where it  
landed and that remains. A proper wiping and cleaning—is that a standards question or  
is that how we eliminate poop properly from a surface?  
Staeheli: I understand.  
Moermond: we talked about insects. Your appeal said there are fruit flies in everyone’s  
house from time to time?  
Staeheli: yes.  
Moermond: the only time I get them is when I have a banana on the counter too long. I  
don’t randomly have that problem so given what I hear about housekeeping I have less  
faith this is an everyone circumstance, but okay. Interior walls—inside window sills  
flaking upper unit, tear or crack on living room ceiling.  
Staeheli: I think the standard he is setting for the windows is ridiculously high.  
Windows over time develop cracks. The picture I saw was one chip where the AC  
comes in and out on one window. I think that’s a ridiculously high standard to even call  
out.  
Moermond: you’re talking standards, maybe you want to provide your own photos.  
Staeheli: I was going off of his.  
Moermond: I don’t have his printed.  
Staeheli: there’s a vertical photo with a windowsill with what looks like an AC on the  
bottom right corner. A gray and white curtain on the top right of the photo, the sill is on  
the left side.  
Moermond: I’ve looked at the housekeeping photos and it looks very much like the  
area by the cat boxes hasn’t seen a mop in a very, very long time. In terms of the  
garbage situation, that does look like household garbage in piles and those are of  
concern. In general, the windows are in pretty bad condition. You are saying the  
standards are too high, I don’t think I concur on that. Smoke detectors, why in the  
rooms Mr. Demarest? I thought the requirement was outside the rooms?  
Demarest: we don’t want the detector in the kitchen for the spare bedroom next to the  
kitchen, that’s why we’d want it in the room itself. There is not one currently there or in  
the hallway outside. It could be in the hallway outside the master, either way it needs  
coverage that isn’t present currently.  
Staeheli: the area off the kitchen isn’t a bedroom, it is a sitting room. It was never  
designed as a bedroom. There’s no closet. It used to be my office. Again, it was  
confusing as far as up or down in the orders.  
Demarest: lower-level install detector in or just outside master bedroom; yes that room  
by the kitchen could be used as a bedroom that’s why I’d call for the detector in there.  
Moermond: was it being used as a bedroom?  
Demarest: no, it wasn’t set up as a bedroom.  
Moermond: so, it wouldn’t be required in Fire Code to have a detector there unless it is  
used as a sleeping space. That just leaves the lower level—in or outside of master?  
Demarest: absolutely.  
Moermond: we will amend that so it is clearer. Did you already have that so it is  
covered?  
Staeheli: I thought downstairs was good; but I will confirm before any further  
inspection. I think the crack in the upstairs ceiling is fine, we’ll do that one.  
Moermond: we need to lock in some deadlines. Given the season it is reasonable to  
say that the cracking and peeling paint should be addressed by May 1, 2026.  
Staeheli: I’d like identification of everything. Yeah, we’ll go back to blue in the spring  
so that’s reasonable.  
Moermond: in terms of the spray foam and hole in siding, those seem to be minor  
repairs that aren’t weather dependent, let’s have that addressed by December 22,  
2025.  
Staeheli: that’s fine, though I’m not quite sure what he thinks the solution to that is and  
I’d still be looking for the code that calls this into question for use in exterior patching.  
But yes, that’s fine for a deadline. I appreciate the extra time.  
Moermond: Mr. Demarest, is that something you can pull from building code and share  
what constitutes construction materials and not?  
Demarest: yes, I can. I’ll have it to you by end of day.  
Moermond: cracked window you said you’re taking care of. Let’s have the December  
22nd deadline for that. I’d love it if we have the sanitation issues addressed and  
enforcing your lease provisions should get that cleaned up. Personally, in terms of  
content, I see lots of trip hazards and open paths to egress. The floor is completely  
covered in clothing and other materials. That isn’t clear access in my opinion. The foot  
has to touch the floor to have a path. That seems easy enough for someone to clean  
up. Looking at the sink area I’m guessing that’s where the flies are coming from. Let’s  
just check that area again on December 22nd so it is cleaned up by when the  
inspector is out.  
Staeheli: ok. We’ll fix the ceiling too, no problem.  
Moermond: December 22nd too. Also the smoke detectors for all sleeping areas.  
Referred to the City Council due back on 12/3/2025