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Saint Paul, MN 55102

City of Saint Paul

Minutes - Final

Legislative Hearings

Marcia Moermond, Legislative Hearing Officer

Mai Vang, Hearing Coordinator

Joanna Zimny, Executive Assistant

legislativehearings@ci.stpaul.mn.us

651-266-8585

Tuesday, April 21, 2026

9:00 AM

Room 330 City Hall & Court House/Remote

9:00 a.m. Hearings

Special Tax Assessments

RLH TA 25-410

Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 511

BAY STREET. (File No. J2601R1, Assessment No. 268602) (Amend

to delete)

Sponsors:

Noecker

Delete the assessment.

Kelsey Whitcomb, owner, appeared via phone

Moermond: this is a trip charge for the crew going out, but the work was already done

by you. The Department of Safety and Inspections doesn’t have access to the orders

that were issued. You’ve been waiting a long time. I’m going to recommend this is

deleted.

Whitcomb: I appreciate that.

Referred to the City Council due back on 5/6/2026

Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1077

BLAIR AVENUE. (File No. J2526R1, Assessment No. 258591)

(Amend to delete)

RLH TA 25-429

Sponsors:

Bowie

Delete the assessment.

Roy Rodriguez, owner, appeared via phone

Moermond: we delayed a hearing from you since last August. The Department of

Safety and Inspections doesn’t have access to the orders that were issued. You’ve

been waiting a long time. I’m going to recommend this is deleted.

Referred to the City Council due back on 5/6/2026

RLH TA 25-375

Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 828

ENGLEWOOD AVENUE. (File No. J2526R3, Assessment No.

258593) (Amend to delete)

Sponsors:

Bowie

Delete the assessment.

Mike Hemenway, owner, appeared via phone

Moermond: I appreciate you sent in background information that is helpful. The

Department of Safety and Inspections doesn’t’ have a complete file on the cleanup so

lacking that I’ll recommend deletion of the assessment.

Hemenway: that will sure help. Thank you so much for looking it over.

Referred to the City Council due back on 5/6/2026

RLH TA 25-415

Ratifying the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 476

SHERBURNE AVENUE. (File No. J2601R2, Assessment No. 268603)

(Amend to delete)

Sponsors:

Bowie

Delete the assessment.

No one appeared.

Moermond: this is tall grass and weeds and we don’t have the original notice issued

in June 2025 so it is part of the bulk of the missing records. Recommend deletion.

Referred to the City Council due back on 5/6/2026

Staff Reports

SR 25-169

Review the Ratifying of the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for

property at 872 RONDO AVENUE. (File No. J2522R1, Assessment

No. 268500)

Sponsors:

Bowie

Delete the assessment.

Voicemail for Amanda Mickelson left at 9:27 am: this is Marcia Moermond from St.

Paul City Council calling you about your appealed tax assessment for 872 Rondo.

We’ve continued this a couple of times due to the data breach. They still haven’t

reloaded the records for this property, but due to the length of time and lack of

records I’ll recommend deletion of the assessment.

Received and Filed

Special Tax Assessments-ROLLS

Ratifying the assessment for Equipment and Labor for Clean Up

RLH AR 26-31

service during September to November 2025 (File No. J2601A,

Assessment No. 268501)

Sponsors:

Noecker

Referred to the City Council due back on 6/3/2026

Ratifying the assessment for Sidewalk Snow and Ice Removal in

January 2026 (File No. J2601S, Assessment No. 268502)

RLH AR 26-32

Sponsors:

Noecker

Referred to the City Council due back on 6/3/2026

11:00 a.m. Hearings

Summary & Vehicle Abatement Orders

Appeal of Michael Corcoran to a Summary Abatement Order and

Vehicle Abatement Order at 1478 AMES AVENUE.

RLH SAO 26-32

Sponsors:

Yang

Grant to May 8, 2026 for compliance with the VAO and to June 1, 2026 for

compliance with SAO.

Mike Corcoran, owner, appeared via phone

Staff report by Supervisor Lisa Martin: Summary Abatement Order issued to remove

and dispose of garbage, rubbish, discarded furniture, appliances, car parts, scrap

wood, metal and refuse from trailers and contents from entire property, along with a

Vehicle Abatement Order on April 9th, there were 3 vehicles that were written up but

when I looked at photos it shows lots of vehicles.

Corcoran: more time. There’s only 2 vehicles that aren’t legal, the blue Honda and

then the one you have “unknown license plate” for. I had to push it off my trailer so I

could use it for another vehicle and then winter came and I got stuck. Basically, it has

been a lot of drama for me to get anything done with taking care of our 5 year old

grandson. I can’t get anything done. My wife has been sick, my daughter almost died.

Now it is nicer weather, so I have hope to get things done. All the other vehicles are

legal. If I park on the street, my wife’s car got stolen 3 times last year. My trailer was

out there and they tried stealing that. Tried to steal my silver truck. I found it down the

street where it ran into a tree. It is always back and forth from the street. I understand

everyone says get rid of them, but I can’t do that at this time. We got rid of one and

one trailer. My daughter has moved in so that’s another vehicle here. I’m doing my

best.

Everything else I was attempting to inventory and then winter came again. The wood

and the metal, a lot of it is loaded onto 2 trailers. I’m trying to prepare to do this back

addition really well and the problem is I’m really picky and everything has to be

perfect before I can get rolling. I got people coming through and they steal my tools

so I get backed up a lot. Lisa knew I was taking charge of my special needs grandson

last fall. She said call if I need help. Best I could do was let her know where I was at

with everything. Then my wife said a gentleman came over. We’re just really hung up

on so many other things also I don’t know what to tell you. I’m doing what I can to not

have you take responsibility for all my stuff. It is my responsibility. Any consideration

from you I would appreciate.

Martin: I understand, we had all of last year to get this resolved. I did hear from the

building official is the back deck doesn’t have a foundation, same with the steel

structure. We’ll be issuing orders to remove the back deck, the sheds and the steel

structure. None of those meet building code. Orders are forthcoming. That means the

shed and all its contents.

Corcoran: that back deck is legal. It has all the proper piers. Way more than

necessary. I have already spoken with Jason about all that. I have drawings for him.

My plan is to start using the piers. I spoke with someone in that other department

where you get the permits. To get a permit to extend the deck out further back. I

mentioned that to Jason also. That whole deck is legal as far as the piers are

concerned.

Moermond: let’s set the deck stuff aside and focus on the orders. I was hearing a

heads-up from Ms. Martin about a problem with the deck. It isn’t acceptable to me

unless there’s a permit with sign-offs, but it isn’t what is in front of me today. What I

do have is a cleanup order and a vehicle order.

You started commenting on the vehicles. The blue Honda lacks tabs,

Corcoran: that’s up to date now.

Moermond: what about being undrivable? Parked on unapproved surface? Flat tires.

Corcoran: yes, I can move that one. It is from way back. I’ve taken parts from it for

my daughter’s car. It is hard for me to throw good stuff away, things are different than

they were 25 years ago.

Moermond: we had a previous appeal, so I know you know the rules. It was taken

care of and a lot of grace given last time we talked, but I’m not feeling nearly as

patient since we’ve been through this already. The silver Toyota appears undriveable

and the tarped vehicle, tabs, looks undrivable, wrong surface. Have you got tabs for

it?

Corcoran: that’s the one from before. I can tab it but it isn’t drivable. I wanted to get it

in the garage so it is legal. I was in the process of doing that then winter came. If I

told you everything going on you would understand why.

Moermond: I appreciate that, but I talk to a lot of people and life happens to

everyone, and so did winter, and we still have to keep going. It is Minnesota. You’re

going to get on top of that?

Corcoran: I don’t concern myself with other people’s things, but I’ve been really up

against a wall with this special needs child, my wife’s heart problems, my daughter

almost died. I have to make sure I release my wife of the burden because she’s in

bad shape. We’re trying the best we can, and it is working out.

Moermond: I don’t mean to be patronizing, but you are able to make the mess, you

need to clean it up.

Corcoran: I’m constantly chasing people around who are dumping things around

here. I just chased someone up the street to get their plates. I’ve done this for years, I

get distracted a lot trying to do my thing here too. I look around my neighborhood and

if you look at my neighbor’s yards they’re worse than mine but I don’t complain about

other people. Just because my daughter in law had something in her mind how about

I was cleaning up. I had a huge cottonwood tree back there. I removed my lilacs. It

has all come to a screeching halt.

Moermond: it really strikes me you aren’t worrying about other people’s stuff but you

are chasing people down, but the problem on your own property that is going to cost

you cash money to clean up.

Corcoran: the problem is we call the police and they say they don’t care. I called

about the lots across the street and the next day Anthony came out and did

something. I’m trying to be helpful.

Moermond: let’s focus on your yard. Orders were issued April 9 with a deadline of the

16th. It is the 21st, so a May 8th deadline for the vehicles.

The cleanup on the yard, not the structures, the cluttered storage, etcetera, we need

to pick a deadline. I’m trying to be reasonable, let’s go to June 1 for the yard cleanup.

There will be no extensions beyond these dates unless the Council gives one to you.

Expect to get orders on the structures in the near future.

Referred to the City Council due back on 5/6/2026

Appeal of Michelle Skinner to a Summary of Abatement Order at 110

RUTH STREET.

RLH SAO 26-31

Sponsors:

Johnson

Deny the appeal as conditions existed at the time orders were issued, but the

nuisance is now abated and the matter resolved.

Moermond: we have the appeal and when staff went to check before the hearing they

found it abated. Deny the appeal noting it has been abated.

Referred to the City Council due back on 5/6/2026

Making Finding on Nuisance Abatements

Making finding on the appealed nuisance abatement ordered for 412

WHITE BEAR AVENUE NORTH in Council File RLH SAO 26-25.

RLH SAO 26-33

Sponsors:

Johnson

Nuisance is not currently abated, but will be rechecked by staff on May 4th for

compliance.

Shannon Strain, tenant, appeared

Tyron Spann, tenant, appeared

Staff update by Supervisor Lisa Martin: compliance was April 20 to have tabs on the

black Chevy Camaro. Has flat tires, June of 2024 tabs, appeared inoperable, parked

on an unapproved surface, as well as a vehicle parked on the apron, which could be

towed at any time.

Strain: its parked in the driveway to the end of the retaining wall. It isn’t blocking the

sidewalk.

Spann: it is small enough to fit sideways in the driveway. It is on the concrete

driveway, not in the dirt. Someone is picking on us.

Martin: it is parked across the apron, you can see White Bear Avenue behind the car.

Moermond: so it has to be on the house side of the sidewalk. That leaves the flat tires

and tabs issue.

Strain: we’re on our way to get the tabs right now. We did move it.

Spann: I have 24” rims, low profile. I have one flat tire; they’re $250 I haven’t bought it

yet.

Moermond: you’re saying you’re on the way to get tabs right now, that’s great. In

terms of the tire, that needs to be taken care of, it obviously isn’t drivable with a tire

like that.

Spann: I can drive it slow to move it. I’ll move it to the public street after I get tabs.

Moermond: I was expecting I would need to report to Council tomorrow, but it missed

the agenda so I won’t be able to report back until May 6th, so I’ll ask staff to go out on

Monday May 4th and everything needs to be exactly in order or I will ask the Council

to allow for the cleanup to happen and vehicle(s) towed. Hopefully a couple weeks

will do the trick.

Spann: that works.

Referred to the City Council due back on 5/6/2026

1:00 p.m. Hearings

Special Tax Assessments-Garbage Layovers

Deleting the Appealed Special Tax Assessment for property at 1093

BREEN STREET. (File No. CG25Q3B4-1, Assessment No. 260135)

RLH TA 26-98

Sponsors:

Yang

Delete the assessment.

Staff report by Jillian Barden: the property owner contacted us because it’s a

Category 2 Vacant Building billed for service. Public Works delivered a cart in 2025

January but it was a Vacant Building in May 2025 so we recommend removing the

assessment.

Moermond: recommend deleting the assessment, though I believe it is a Category 1

Vacant Building.

Referred to the City Council due back on 5/6/2026

1:30 p.m. Hearings

Orders To Vacate - Fire Certificate of Occupancy

RLH VO 26-21

Appeal of George Leske, Occupant, to a Fire Inspection Report (which

includes vacate) at 1609 SAINT ANTHONY AVENUE, APARTMENT

Sponsors:

Coleman

Layover to LH May 5, 2026 at 1:30 p.m. to discuss findings of April 29th inspection.

George Leske, occupant, appeared

[Moermond gives background of appeals process]

Staff report by Supervisor Keith Demarest: this is a 5 unit residential complex owned

by Midway Green Developments LLC. Last full Certificate of Occupancy inspection

was done February 2023. This complaint was received Nov 2025 and inspection

done March 26, 2026 by Inspector Koehler. April 15 notice of appeal was received

and a tentative reinspection is scheduled for Thursday. At the March 26 inspection

multiple items found: holes in walls,, broken screens, windows lacking 2 panes, stair

issues, exterior stairs need repair. All interior walls and ceiling must be maintained

unit 3 and 4 have large cut outs in wall and ceiling. Permits are required for

replacement of windows. Due to the totality of that report he notes it may be pending

revocation for unit or units.

Moermond: reviewing photos I saw a lot of damaged windows and doors with particle

board all over. Fire damage?

Demarest: I don’t see any note of fire damage, so not sure how that occurred.

Moermond: you are in one of the units, what is going on with the owner? It is kind of

in bad shape?

Leske: since they’ve been out, he’s finally got on the ball and has got just about

everything they want done. They are building a deck in the back and they put new

doors on in the front this morning. The other 2 apartments that was tore out with no

one living in there, they got the sheetrock all done, ready for painting. The basement

they have all sheet rocked. All the windows they had out are back in and put metal

around them. I’ve lived there 15 years.

Moermond: you wrote he needs more time to finish. You’re speaking on his behalf as

a tenant?

Leske: I don’t want to move. It is hard for me, I don’t have any relatives up there. I

rely on one neighbor lady. I had some health issues a few years back and have

health devices in the house. It is convenient. It is 100% better than when the

inspector was there. He’s trying to get stuff done. I guess he had trouble for a while

getting permits. I don’t think it needs to be closed down now, he’s working steadily on

it. There are six units also, not 5.

Moermond: he had an appointment for an inspection on Thursday, but normally when

an appeal is filed they put a hold on the next inspection. Where are we at with that

appointment?

Demarest: we would typically send a new notice of inspection with new date.

Moermond: let’s lay this over 2 weeks and plan for an inspection late next week, and

we can talk about it May 5th.

Leske: I live on a fixed income and he’s giving me a break on rent as it is. I have

another place I could stay but it is $400 more a month.

Moermond: you can stay where you are for now, and hopefully this will be wrapped

up or we will map a path forward.

Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 5/5/2026

RLH VO 26-22

Appeal of Frank Andrew to a Fire Inspection Correction Notice (which

includes condemnation) at 484 ROBERT STREET NORTH.

Sponsors:

Noecker

Layover to LH May 5, 2026 at 1:30 pm for further discussion.

Frank Andrew, tenant and owner of business, appeared

Beau RaRa, friend of Andrew, appeared

Staff report by Fire Manager AJ Neis: this is a mercantile storefront below. I received

a complaint back from the St. Paul Police Department March 9th. They reported there

was potentially an operation being used as some type of night club at the property. It

is currently zoned for mercantile occupancy. I went out April 9 and there was a

couple subsequent visits from Tobacco. I did the inspection and met with the property

owner and one employee. Requested entry into the basement and was accompanied

by Sargent Arndtson. I observed everything that lead me to believe it is in use as

some type of night club or entertainment venue. St. Paul Police Department had

photos showing red stations stored. I observed a “dancing pole”, lounge chairs,

tables and chairs, evidence of hookah use, alcohol in a visible fridge with glass front,

DJ equipment, desk for podcasting. Occupant load would require a second exit base

don square footage. I met with appellant and told him of the safety concerns and

about the code analysis requirement but any events or parties need to immediately

cease until it is brought up to code. They stopped into our office to discuss and was

very cooperative and understanding and advised of the right to appeal. Received full

cooperation and hospitality on site.

Moermond: tell me more about what is allowed in a mercantile space vs. assembly.

Neis: exactly, mercantile use have very different code requirements. Before we can

enforce codes we have to know the property occupancy type. The occupancy load

for a store is much less than an assembly, so different codes come into place such

as number of exists, door swings, possibly fire or sprinkler system, exit lighting,

emergency lighting, perhaps even ADA accessibility issues. The list can go on and

on. Thus, why a code analysis is required.

Moermond: mercantile versus office for operating a business. Professional versus

sales business.

Neis: occupant load as a general. Mercantile occupant load is 60 gross square feet

per 1 occupant. That’s quite a bit of space. For assembly that occupant load factor

can go almost down to 7, nearly a 10:1 ratio. So a 600 square foot mercantile space

max people is 6, but a 600 square foot assembly space you could increase to as high

as 85. That’s why you have to know which codes to apply and proper occupancy. I’m

sure we can all agree six people in a basement with one exit is must different than 85

people evacuating in an emergency.

Moermond: sounds like you have a podcast situation?

Andrew: Dedicated Dance for Life nonprofit and podcast space. I usually use it for

that. I didn’t think I was doing anything wrong, but I admitted to having an dance there

was about 10 people there when the St. Paul Police Department came. I do use the

red rope to separate it from my convenience store. The party was maybe a little over

but it is generally used for my nonprofit and podcast. He said I can keep that, but I

have to remove the tables and the pool table, and I already took the pole down. I

never used it for a party or night club, it was strictly for my staff. The day the police

came they said someone called a report of a burglary. I got the police report and it

said there was a report of a guys creaming, it was my brother who didn’t let them in. I

do keep a few beers in my fridge, but there was no hard liquor. We basically use it for

my nonprofit. We never threw any parties or charged anyone to get in.

Moermond: is there any kind of gathering other than Dedicated Dads?

Andrew: no, other than my podcast. I may have one or 2 guests. I have cordless mics

and sometimes we shoot pool.

Neis: the big challenge with the fire code, unfortunately the fire code doesn’t dictate

how many people can be down there by limiting it to what an owner agrees too. It is

strictly square footage. Even if it is only 10 people code requires you to

accommodate that people. Also, unless you have a liquor license, you can’t have it

there even if it is for personal use on a podcast. If things are set up traditionally,

where it could be used as an assembly, the other challenge is if the gentleman

moves out and things get left behind it can be assumed it was an approved use

moving forward. If I see what I see as a fire code official in there, I have to write it up

based on what any reasonable and prudent inspector would see and follow the code.

Moermond: just reviewed chapter 426 Cabaret Licenses and the initial assessment is

it probably wouldn’t work because of exiting requirements, but it would need to be

discussed more deeply with licensing. I can picture some mercantiles with cabaret

licenses.

Neis: March 8 2026 at 9:42 pm officers were dispatched when officers arrived there

was a male standing at the door who wouldn’t let anyone in and said store was

closed. It was observed there was a metal detector, red ropes/stanchions, they could

hear music coming from inside and women were walking around and a female

entered the process as officers left. There are some photos with red stanchions in

place. Is it normal you provide metal detection to—

Andrew: if you went to my store right now you’d see “no guns allowed” and when you

go down the steps there is another one. I will make sure anyone coming to my store

is safe and no one has a weapon.

Moermond: so if I was to go to buy a pop right now I’d get wanded?

Andrew: no, because it wasn’t a Dedicated Dad event downstairs. The store is

upstairs.

Moermond: I was just hearing that the wanding was done at the door. Not for going

downstairs.

Andrew: the store is upstairs. You have to go to the store to get to the basement.

That’s why I have the ropes, to separate the store from the basement. So people

don’t try and go into the store.

Moermond: they get wanded at the entrance? Was the store closed at that time?

Andrew: yes. The event we were doing people were bringing in new guests and had

different ideas and all that. When we do events like that we do search everyone. We

don’t charge to get in, we don’t serve liquor, it was just an event with music and

people giving their opinions on the nonprofit. The wand was given to me, they were

throwing it away, so I took it. I didn’t go purchase it.

Moermond: the police mentioned it. In your appeal you just wrote about the podcast

as a consideration. Nothing about Dedicated Dads, which is fine. In terms of the

podcast, I’m not having concerns about the podcast at all. You can play pool and do

whatever you want for that. In terms of gatherings I hear Mr. Neis’s concerns about

more than a few people being there in terms of exiting.

Neis: technically yes, if it is a podcast, down there with one or two guests doing a

show is similar to officing out of there to do cash handling for his store. Any type of

gathering where any potential alcohol, anything other than the environment having

right here, wouldn’t be permissible without a change in use. This is a good example

of what a podcast may look like in that scenario.

RaRa: let’s say he had an employee meeting once a month in the basement, like 14

people, would that be permissible?

Neis: are we having a meeting at 10 pm with loud music and alcohol? No. If we’re

going down and saying we’re talking about last month’s sales, sure.

RaRa: first I was hearing about fire code and the number of bodies, then I was

thinking about a 7 pm pizza party for employee of the month, would it have the use

issue?

Neis: it could, potentially. If you’re having to wand your own employees I would argue

that isn’t an employee function.

RaRa: I understand if it “looks like and it sounds like” but I know Mr. Andrew from a

nonprofit that I was working at and he has recruited and tried to cross collaborate

with Dreaming Restorative Futures. I just want to name that because I feel like it is

relevant and important.

Andrew: I am a single father, my 13 year old son stays with me along with my 17 year

old nephew after my sister passed away. I have a TikTok page with over 20,000

followers called Dedicated Dads for Life. That’s what it is about, helping fathers, even

within the prison system, keep their kids on the right track until they are out of prison.

We’re working with our landlord on using some of the vacant rooms above the store.

It is a powerful movement fathers need right now. Dedicated Dads sponsors Being

Smart is Cool, my son’s brand, and we’re trying to make a difference.

Moermond: I’d like to look at this a little bit more. If we’re talking about a podcast and

a few people and a pool table, I don’t’ have an issue with that. Threading the needle

about Dedicated Dads and the number of people and the hours and so on. In terms

of the space being used, having a meal or snack away from the store I don’t see an

issue with. Regular everyday business use, I have no issues with. I think the having

music at employee gathering may be the tipping point and I need to think about that

more. That may be the trigger more for people on the outside, which makes it seem

like an event. Do you have any events planned in the next few weeks?

Andrew: I cancelled everything .One for my son and one for father’s day because I

didn’t know what was going on.

Moermond: and, we don’t yet. I’ll make some calls and learn more for my own sake

and read a bit closer than I did on the fly today.

Laid Over to the Legislative Hearings due back on 5/5/2026

3:00 p.m. Hearings

Water Bill Appeals

RLH WB 26-2

Appeal of Farid Freddy Jiryis, dba Maryland Amoco BP, to a Water

Service Bill at 1198 WHITE BEAR AVENUE NORTH.

Reduce bill from $1,286 to $1050.00.

Freddy Jiryis, manager, appeared

[Moermond gives background of appeals process]

Staff report by Derek Olson: we stopped and found the meter was frozen and the

bottom was broken. Due to the water being off we asked if they wanted another

meter going in or no further charges until a meter goes back in. It goes back to the

shop and is inspected for damage, and then CSR creates a last bill with any

damaged charges. We created the bill February 6th. We won’t bill any further but we

received a call from the manager and there was a dispute about charges because we

didn’t let them know there was damage to the meter when we were there. After

talking through it, we offered a hearing. The total is $1,286.

Moermond: looks like meter failed from freezing pipes?

Jiryis: this building hasn’t been used for years. For years we’ve been paying for water

for not using. We never looked into it. They never had any scheduled maintenance

since they own it. Throughout the years they’ve been charging just for having a

meter, even if we aren’t using it, which I understand those are the rules. When we let

him walk in to uninstall, which we’d requested for 3.5 months, finally we got

something scheduled. They took the meter and left. If the meter is damaged and

there is a problem with the property you let me use you should let me know right then

and there. I’m not questioning their integrity, but the only way we found out was the

bill. No explanation, no photos, nothing. Which leads me to question, you are

charging me this much money and don’t have the courtesy to tell me about the

damage? We have a problem with the reading, the damage is total replacement. How

can you take a read in for total replacement and then come and ask me to pay for it.

If the meter is accurate, then it is working.

Tronson: you were charged only for the body; there are two part to a water meter, the

Jiryis: if I am going to pay for something damaged and I’ve been paying for years,

either you are going to refund my money or we call it a wash.

Moermond: let’s roll back and talk about the charge. In general, all utilities charge

using two parts of a formula, one is access to the system and then another charge for

the volume of service. Sounds like you were billed for access but not any water

passing through.

Olson: yes.

Jiryis: Xcel has a record of their meter and inspect on a regular basis. If there’s a

problem they’ve informed the property owner.

Olson: one of the reason it wasn’t inspected because it hasn’t used any water since

2023. You’re being charged for the meter simply being there.

Jiryis: you are required to have a maintenance log, it is your machine on our property.

Olson: we look at a meter from a reading standpoint. Nov 2023 we set the water off.

No usage. You’re charged base fees. Your usage shows 0 every month, it doesn’t

need maintenance even if it is showing zero.

Moermond: you are articulating an expectation of periodic systems versus the

monitoring system they use that would trigger a service. I hear that.

Jiryis: we have two meters and they’ve never inspected the other one either.

Moermond: I’m not having heartburn over periodic service. If you’ve been paying

since 2024?

Jiryis: I took over in 2025. The owner was debating reopening the car wash, back and

forth. Finally I told him we have to cut our losses and take the meter out. That was

September 2025. I finally got someone to come in January.

Moermond: the bills have been like this since

Jiryis: he left with the meter and then sent me the bill with no explanation and we

weren’t aware of any damage. That’s where the problem is.

Tronson: they are asked to avoid confrontation. Not everyone is friendly. They’re

instructed to not say anything until we have everything we need to know.

Olson: you are very friendly, and would have welcomed this conversation, but not

everyone is. Some people get very hostile, and there may be a crack or a register is

damaged, and we don’t know until we get it back to the shop. If we would have told

you one number for a broken meter and then get back to the shop and find out the

have called upset about that then.

Moermond: I’m not seeing a record of a call in September. I see a record of one in

January.

Jiryis: we called CSR they transferred me, and we left messages and no one called

back, or someone answers and says someone will call to schedule and no one does.

Olson: we did have someone touching the account on October 9th. They looked at

this account in 2025, I don’t know why.

Moermond: what are the charges for water connection from October 2025 to

present?

Olson: 3 months of 17.69 and then January there would have been $82.84 and then

a last bill in February for 49.71.

Moermond: I credit you called in the fall. That would mean if the meter would have

been removed at that time you wouldn’t have had connection fees those 3 months,

but you still would have had the damaged meter charge. Let’s discount the damaged

meter charge with those three bills which brings us to $1050.00

Referred to the Board of Water Commissioners due back on 5/12/2026